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Old 01-08-2019, 04:28 PM  
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Trump January 8, 2019 Address to the Nation...



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Old 01-11-2019, 09:00 AM   #526
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Apparently Obama doesn't believe it either...

President Obama Also Faced A 'Crisis' At The Southern Border
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/09/68362...outhern-border
Yeah that is the thing the numbers were really high under Obama and continue to be high. Which does not disprove that there is a crisis. The increase in families since 2000, which is probably directly related to Obama and his policies, also adds to the crisis. It takes more resources and you will continue to have more deaths since kids are even less able to navigate the desert.

Besides I think a lot of the illegals turned themselves in under Obama presidency because there was a belief that if caught in the US you would be taken into custody, given a hearing date and then released. Not sure if that belief continues under Trump.

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Old 01-11-2019, 09:17 AM   #527
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Of course he has. He's also told like 9000 lies, he lies every day about everything and most of you rubes just go along because you're useless hypocrites.
You didn't say a single thing that backs your claim.

Please list a bigger lie Trump has told than Obama saying you can keep your Dr.

Show me a lie that's had an actual and real impact on American lives.


Come on this should be easy for you.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:59 AM   #528
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:07 AM   #529
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The increase in families since 2000, which is probably directly related to Obama and his policies, also adds to the crisis.
Obama wasn't in office until 2008.
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:17 AM   #530
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Apparently Obama doesn't believe it either...

President Obama Also Faced A 'Crisis' At The Southern Border
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/09/68362...outhern-border
define "it" lol

Obama definitely never dismissed the widely accepted, existing methodology to tabulate the number of illegal immigrants in the US.

Stay on target, Red 5.
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:21 AM   #531
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Obama wasn't in office until 2008.
So? That does not dispute my point, that Obama's policies have lead to the increase in families attempting to come across the border.

But do you dispute there are more families attempting to cross? More children crossing leads to more deaths.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JL33P

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Old 01-11-2019, 10:25 AM   #532
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So? His policies have lead to the increase in families attempting to come across the border.
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this chart doesn't seem to support that.
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:29 AM   #533
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:36 AM   #534
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Good on Trump for that.

Regardless of recent administration, I think they're trying to do what is best in a difficult situation. I'm ignorant to why the spikes and dips in illegal immigration happen, though the sharp drop, before stabilizing in 2009, is attributed to the great recession, which makes sense lol
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Rosenstien and Sessions.
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**** THAT.
My initial thought echoes yours. My secondary thought tells me to wait until the details are made public, as Trump has derided the program in the past. I expect that I'll still absolutely hate the system, but I'll hold off on final judgment for now.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:48 PM   #538
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My initial thought echoes yours. My secondary thought tells me to wait until the details are made public, as Trump has derided the program in the past. I expect that I'll still absolutely hate the system, but I'll hold off on final judgment for now.
Nope the H1-B system is a travesty that actively depresses American wages.

It must be ****ing destroyed.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:58 PM   #539
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Nope the H1-B system is a travesty that actively depresses American wages.

It must be ****ing destroyed.
Don't get me wrong, here. I expect it to be a sell out in favor of businesses, at the expense of the American worker. The basic notion of a specific path to citizenship for people who's stated purpose is to shore up insufficiently populated job fields, but who's sole actual purpose is to replace American workers, is abhorrent to me. But one lesson that we all should have learned about Trump by now is that his initial comments on issues are subject to adjustment and/or interpretation. As it has often been said elsewhere, Democrats and NeverTrumpers take him literally, but don't take him seriously, whereas Trump supporters take him seriously, not literally. And, as a general rule, I think the supporters have the smarter approach.

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what are your objections to h1-b other than generic nationalism and outgroup hostility
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