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Old 01-09-2019, 03:42 PM  
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What should trump give to get his 5B for the wall?

Trump's approach here seems to be to whine and hope he gets his way. But if you want to make a deal, both sides need to be happy with it.

Trump is supposedly the master dealmaker, lol, clearly not.

What would you give the democrats in exchange for getting the wall?
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:13 AM   #121
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No it's not. You are hearing what you want to hear.

President Obama (along with Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, every modern president, except ****face von orange) went out of his way to make clear he was president for everyone, and there to serve everyone.

Let your TDS flow little one.
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:17 AM   #122
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Well, they don't. They are a net loss.
What studies / data do you have to back this up
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:20 AM   #123
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What studies / data do you have to back this up
https://www.gao.gov/products/HEHS-95-133

Pursuant to a congressional request, GAO examined the costs of providing benefits and services to illegal aliens, focusing on: (1) current estimates of the national net costs of illegal aliens to all levels of government; (2) the variation in these estimates; and (3) areas in which the estimates could be improved.

GAO found that: (1) illegal aliens in the United States generate more in costs than revenues to federal, state, and local governments combined; (2) estimates of the national net cost of illegal aliens vary greatly, ranging from $2 billion to $19 billion;
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:21 AM   #124
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But that's not the main problem, is it?
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:22 AM   #125
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https://www.gao.gov/products/HEHS-95-133

Pursuant to a congressional request, GAO examined the costs of providing benefits and services to illegal aliens, focusing on: (1) current estimates of the national net costs of illegal aliens to all levels of government; (2) the variation in these estimates; and (3) areas in which the estimates could be improved.

GAO found that: (1) illegal aliens in the United States generate more in costs than revenues to federal, state, and local governments combined; (2) estimates of the national net cost of illegal aliens vary greatly, ranging from $2 billion to $19 billion;
This should be good...
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:25 AM   #126
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https://www.gao.gov/products/HEHS-95-133

Pursuant to a congressional request, GAO examined the costs of providing benefits and services to illegal aliens, focusing on: (1) current estimates of the national net costs of illegal aliens to all levels of government; (2) the variation in these estimates; and (3) areas in which the estimates could be improved.

GAO found that: (1) illegal aliens in the United States generate more in costs than revenues to federal, state, and local governments combined; (2) estimates of the national net cost of illegal aliens vary greatly, ranging from $2 billion to $19 billion;
Thank you for that study from 1995 that admits:

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(3) a great deal of uncertainty remains about the national fiscal impact of illegal aliens, because little data exists on illegal aliens' use of public services and tax payments; (4) displacement costs and revenue estimates account for much of the variation in the estimates of the national net costs of illegal aliens; (5) the estimates are difficult to assess because the studies do not always clearly explain the criteria used to determine which costs and revenues are appropriate to include in the estimates;


Care to try again?
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:30 AM   #127
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Thank you for that study from 1995 that admits:





Care to try again?
You're welcome. Of course uncertainty remains. They're illegals. Low end of $2 billion. High end of $19 billion.

No. Why would I care to try again? I just provided a GAO report stating precisely what I asked to provide, which shows that illegals are a net loss.
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:32 AM   #128
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It doesn’t matter whether illegals are net costs or net economic benefits, they’re undesirable by definition and the government has an obligation to secure the border against them.

If we want more of certain types of immigration, we should reform the legal immigration system.
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:33 AM   #129
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It doesn’t matter whether illegals are net costs or net economic benefits, they’re undesirable by definition and the government has an obligation to secure the border against them.

If we want more of certain types of immigration, we should reform the legal immigration system.
Bingo.

Merit based immigration coupled with strict immigration law enforcement is the best path forward
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:34 AM   #130
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It doesn’t matter whether illegals are net costs or net economic benefits, they’re undesirable by definition and the government has an obligation to secure the border against them.

If we want more of certain types of immigration, we should reform the legal immigration system.
I can't say I agree that it doesn't matter. Liberals claim they are a net benefit, so they're not so bad...

Plus, if people want to argue the fiscal side of the wall, it helps to have numbers to counter them.
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You're welcome. Of course uncertainty remains. They're illegals. Low end of $2 billion. High end of $19 billion.

No. Why would I care to try again? I just provided a GAO report stating precisely what I asked to provide, which shows that illegals are a net loss.
I'm sure you think a 20 plus year old study that admits its own results are uncertain says something.



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As a Dem, I would let tRump build his stupid wall (all $25-75B), but in exchange, I would want DACA, immigration reform, single payer healthcare, a real middle class tax cut, 73+% top marginal tax rate, a GreenNewDeal, free college, increased infrastructure spending.
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I'm sure you think a 20 plus year old study that admits its own results are uncertain says something.



Tap out acknowledged.
Did you happen to notice that the results weren't "from a net benefit to XX billion to $19 billion"?

If so, what does that tell you?

I get that it's uncomfortable for you to learn that the illegals are a net loss, but it is what it is.
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