Chiefs Should the Chiefs sign Eric Berry for 5/70m with 38m guaranteed? - Page 3

**BossChief** · 02-03-2017, 08:51 AM

I'm not sure any safety is worth that much.

**TribalElder** · 02-03-2017, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider2YBanana

I do worry about paying that much with Peters contract coming due pretty soon.

Can we afford to pay two members of our secondary top 5 contracts?

Only if we get rookie money at some other positions like QB

That was how Seattle was able to pay Sherman and earl I think

**BossChief** · 02-03-2017, 09:37 AM

Poe is gone.

He's easily the most overrated player on the defense.

RunKC · 02-03-2017, 09:40 AM

Looking at cap space I think the Chiefs can keep Berry at his price tag, but some things need to happen.

-This needs to be Tamba's last year.
-Jamaal needs to restructure his deal or be cut.
-Colquitt needs to restructure his deal or be cut.
-Zombo, Mauga, etc needs to be cut.
-QBOTF needs to be projected for 2018 either by the draft or Foles at a much lower cap hit than Alex.
-The Chiefs need to be frugal in FA this year.

We need to start purging the roster of the $$ that's being wasted.

**BossChief** · 02-03-2017, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Sure.

Book mark the bet with a rep

**Bowser** · 02-03-2017, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Poe is gone.

He's easily the most overrated player on the defense.

I think his back problems have hindered him the last couple of seasons. I think the guy is a beast when his back is right, but I'm not certain he's been 100% for quite some time.

If he stays, it will be on the team's terms.

Go Royals · 02-03-2017, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I think he's gone.

Andy said flat out last offseason that they can't pay everyone top of the league money and then they went out and drafted Murray and immediately started grooming him to be Berrys replacement.

This is dumb. They didn't take Eric Murray to replace Eric Berry.

Red Dawg · 02-03-2017, 09:49 AM

That deal is insane. No is the only answer.

**BossChief** · 02-03-2017, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Go Royals

This is dumb. They didn't take Eric Murray to replace Eric Berry.

Actually, they did. Listen to the scouts after the draft.

Hammock Parties · 02-03-2017, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

Only if we get rookie money at some other positions like QB

That was how Seattle was able to pay Sherman and earl I think

2017 Seahawks contracts north of 9M yr avg: Bennett, Graham, Thomas, Wagner, Baldwin, Sherman, Wilson

Total: 89 M

2017 Chiefs contracts north of 9M yr avg: Houston, Smith, Maclin, Fisher, Kelce

Total: 66 M

We can definitely do this.

Get used to the idea of Berry making $13M

DJ's left nut · 02-03-2017, 10:08 AM

Depends on the salary in the first 3-4 years.

Without knowing that, there's now way to answer. I presume you're talking about guaranteed money as signing bonus and guaranteed salary in years 1 and 2? Maybe year 3 as well?

Let's break it down in a way that I would see as palatable:

5 years and $70 with a signing bonus of $25 million and guaranteed salaries of $3 million in year one and $5 million in year 2; $10 million salary in year 3 with $5 million guaranteed. Non-guaranteed salaries of $12 and $15 million due in years 4 and 5.

So the bonus adds $5 million/season in cap hit.

2017 cap figure: $8 million
2018 cap figure: $10 million
2019 cap figure: $15 million
2020 cap figure: $17 million
2021 cap figure: $20 million

Now it seems exceptionally unlikely that you actually keep him in 2020 so you cut him with a June 1 tag that year, eat $5 million and take a $5 million cap charge for the following year.

Honestly, that's about as close to 'tolerable' as I can see a reasonable breakdown of your 70/$38 guaranteed proposal and in the end, I think I'd walk away from it. Taking $10 million in cap penalties so you can take $11 million/season in cap hits over 3 seasons on a safety is pretty onerous.

I think your total figures are about 12-15% too high. Let's say 5/60 w/ $32 million guaranteed instead.

Signing bonus of $20 million with guaranteed salaries of 3 and 5 million in years 1 and 2, partially guaranteed at $8 million in year 3. Unguaranteed salaries of $10 and $14 million in years 4 and 5.

2017: $7 million cap hit
2018: $9 million cap hit
2019: $12 million cap hit
2020: $14 million cap hit
2021: $18 million cap hit

At that point keeping him around in 2020 is actually feasible so you've actually gotten return on 4 years of that signing bonus instead of 3 and then eating 2 of them. If you keep him through 4 years, you've spent $46 million over 4 seasons (fair figure for the market) and if all hell breaks loose you've spent $36 over three; as a worst case scenario, Berry does pretty well there.

So ultimately I'd say no to your proposal but you have my counter, Mr. Berry.

Hammock Parties · 02-03-2017, 10:09 AM

There is a shit ton of money this team can clear in 2018:

Smith, Johnson, Hali and Bailey are owed 46.5M for 2018.

None of them will see a dime of that beyond dead money.

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-03-2017, 10:16 AM

He will get around that and in a couple years , tilt won't look as bad as other players eclipse that. (It's sad these ****s continue to get more as we get raped at the gate)

**notorious** · 02-03-2017, 10:17 AM

Post other players' salaries that are similar.

The cap has changed a lot lately so it's hard to get a grasp on what is proper pay.

Hammock Parties · 02-03-2017, 10:22 AM

HUNT: Eric Berry is a player that we want to come back to the Chiefs. He wants to come back. Usually, you can find a way to get that done.
— Soren Petro (@SorenPetro) February 3, 2017

Go Royals · 02-03-2017, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Actually, they did. Listen to the scouts after the draft.

You probably said the same shit about Tysyn Hartmann

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02-03-2017, 08:51 AM
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02-03-2017, 09:40 AM	#33
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2209611	Looking at cap space I think the Chiefs can keep Berry at his price tag, but some things need to happen. -This needs to be Tamba's last year. -Jamaal needs to restructure his deal or be cut. -Colquitt needs to restructure his deal or be cut. -Zombo, Mauga, etc needs to be cut. -QBOTF needs to be projected for 2018 either by the draft or Foles at a much lower cap hit than Alex. -The Chiefs need to be frugal in FA this year. We need to start purging the roster of the $$ that's being wasted. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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02-03-2017, 09:49 AM	#37
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02-03-2017, 10:08 AM	#40
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2959099	Depends on the salary in the first 3-4 years. Without knowing that, there's now way to answer. I presume you're talking about guaranteed money as signing bonus and guaranteed salary in years 1 and 2? Maybe year 3 as well? Let's break it down in a way that I would see as palatable: 5 years and $70 with a signing bonus of $25 million and guaranteed salaries of $3 million in year one and $5 million in year 2; $10 million salary in year 3 with $5 million guaranteed. Non-guaranteed salaries of $12 and $15 million due in years 4 and 5. So the bonus adds $5 million/season in cap hit. 2017 cap figure: $8 million 2018 cap figure: $10 million 2019 cap figure: $15 million 2020 cap figure: $17 million 2021 cap figure: $20 million Now it seems exceptionally unlikely that you actually keep him in 2020 so you cut him with a June 1 tag that year, eat $5 million and take a $5 million cap charge for the following year. Honestly, that's about as close to 'tolerable' as I can see a reasonable breakdown of your 70/$38 guaranteed proposal and in the end, I think I'd walk away from it. Taking $10 million in cap penalties so you can take $11 million/season in cap hits over 3 seasons on a safety is pretty onerous. I think your total figures are about 12-15% too high. Let's say 5/60 w/ $32 million guaranteed instead. Signing bonus of $20 million with guaranteed salaries of 3 and 5 million in years 1 and 2, partially guaranteed at $8 million in year 3. Unguaranteed salaries of $10 and $14 million in years 4 and 5. 2017: $7 million cap hit 2018: $9 million cap hit 2019: $12 million cap hit 2020: $14 million cap hit 2021: $18 million cap hit At that point keeping him around in 2020 is actually feasible so you've actually gotten return on 4 years of that signing bonus instead of 3 and then eating 2 of them. If you keep him through 4 years, you've spent $46 million over 4 seasons (fair figure for the market) and if all hell breaks loose you've spent $36 over three; as a worst case scenario, Berry does pretty well there. So ultimately I'd say no to your proposal but you have my counter, Mr. Berry. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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02-03-2017, 10:09 AM	#41
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4670478	There is a shit ton of money this team can clear in 2018: Smith, Johnson, Hali and Bailey are owed 46.5M for 2018. None of them will see a dime of that beyond dead money.
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02-03-2017, 10:16 AM	#42
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $3938880	He will get around that and in a couple years , tilt won't look as bad as other players eclipse that. (It's sad these **s continue to get more as we get raped at the gate) __________________ Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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02-03-2017, 10:17 AM	#43
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02-03-2017, 10:22 AM	#44
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4670478	HUNT: Eric Berry is a player that we want to come back to the Chiefs. He wants to come back. Usually, you can find a way to get that done. — Soren Petro (@SorenPetro) February 3, 2017
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