DeShaun Watson: The Time Is Now - Page 5

DJ's left nut · 01-31-2017, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yet Daniel Jeremiah thinks there's a good possibility that Webb and Peterman sneak into the second round.

If the Chiefs like Webb, Peterman or Mahomes and they're available to them when they pick, it would be foolish to pass on one of them.

Webb and Peterman as second rounders feeds into Clay's point, IMO.

It's an indictment on the quality of the QB class more than it is a statement as to the strength's of the respective prospects.

Those guys are not second round caliber talents, IMO.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-31-2017, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Those guys are not second round caliber talents, IMO.

I can't make that determination, as I haven't seen enough game footage, nor do we have any results from The Combine or Pro Days. I have the Senior Bowl on the DVR but haven't watched it yet.

But here's the deal: QB's always go higher than expected because there is a massive need for them. So beyond a few guys next year that will not fall to the Chiefs, they'll be looking to overdraft a guy in 2018 instead of 2017.

And to further that point, there's always guys that fall who end up being pretty good players. Just off the top of my head, Brees and Dalton were a 2nd, Cousins and Prescott were 4th's, Siemien a 7th and so on.

Does anyone believe that Paxton Lynch was truly a first rounder? I didn't then and don't now, but he went in the late first. He was overdrafted because the Broncos thought they had a gaping hole. As it turned out, Siemien was pretty good with a high upside. He'd be awesome in Reid's WCO, IMO.

It's time to get a guy.

DJ's left nut · 01-31-2017, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I can't make that determination, as I haven't seen enough game footage, nor do we have any results from The Combine or Pro Days. I have the Senior Bowl on the DVR but haven't watched it yet.

But here's the deal: QB's always go higher than expected because there is a massive need for them. So beyond a few guys next year that will not fall to the Chiefs, they'll be looking to overdraft a guy in 2018 instead of 2017.

And to further that point, there's always guys that fall who end up being pretty good players. Just off the top of my head, Brees and Dalton were a 2nd, Cousins and Prescott were 4th's, Siemien a 7th and so on.

Does anyone believe that Paxton Lynch was truly a first rounder? I didn't then and don't now, but he went in the late first. He was overdrafted because the Broncos thought they had a gaping hole. As it turned out, Siemien was pretty good with a high upside. He'd be awesome in Reid's WCO, IMO.

It's time to get a guy.

Right, overdrafts will always happen at QB.

But that's when you start to talk about depth of classes to determine just how egregious that overdraft will be.

I'm not of the mind that Watson is a first round talent and frankly Mahomes has enough flaws that in many years (if not most) he's not a first rounder either. How is Trubisky's resume appreciably better than Lynch's and Trubisky's considered a surefire top 10 and potential #1 overall.

This is an objectively bad quarterback class and as such, the degree of the overdraft is going to be worse this year than many other years.

Next year's top QBs are going to be a couple of legit top-end QBs, IMO, with Rosen and Darnold. Now that doesn't mean that we'll get them, but it means the quality of guy you're looking at in the teens/20s is going to be more like, I dunno, Baker Mayfield or Mason Rudolph (and I'm still beyond pissed that Rudolph returned). And your wild card isn't a potential game manager like Peterman but rather a guy like Josh Allen.

It's a rising tide thing; when there are legit franchise alterers at the top of the QB class, that trickles down to the wild-cards and their availability at the back of the first or early 2nd.

There are valid reasons to wait until next year for the QB, especially if you can engineer a winning trade-down that nets us as much as a 2nd or 3rd in the '18 draft that can be used to move up a bit if needed. I'm not convinced I'd do it, but if my options are Peterman or Webb in the 2nd this year or wait until 2018, I'd go with the 2018 option in a heartbeat.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-31-2017, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider2YBanana

We are just going to feel like Browns fans if we reach for a QB in this draft.

Just wait it out one year.

And FWIW, you're an even bigger butt****ing moron that I could have ever imagined if you believe the Chiefs have a chance in hell of drafting Rosen or Darnold.

BlackHelicopters · 01-31-2017, 04:46 PM

Do not wait til next year

philfree · 01-31-2017, 05:53 PM

I was intrigued by Peterman but he is essentially Alex Smith with a weaker arm according to the evaluations I've read. So people want to move on from Alex Smith to Alex Smith 2.0. Great!

DJ's left nut · 02-01-2017, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I was intrigued by Peterman but he is essentially Alex Smith with a weaker arm according to the evaluations I've read. So people want to move on from Alex Smith to Alex Smith 2.0. Great!

The upshot to Peterman is the cost control.

IF he's Alex Smith, at least he's Alex Smith on the cheap. The problem is that he's only cheap for 4 years, one of which will be on the bench, the next will probably be a year of growing pains. So you get 2 years of cheap production before you find yourself right back in this hellish QB purgetory of paying the price of a #1 WR and a starting defensive back for a mediocre QB.

And then a whole lot of first round playoff flameouts.

staylor26 · 01-31-2017, 06:53 PM

If they decide they don't like any of the QB's that have already been mentioned, I would like them to take a shot at Dobbs on day 3. His athleticism, intelligence, and arm strength make him an intriguing project to match up with Reid.

kcchiefsus · 02-01-2017, 01:49 AM

I'd personally take one high in this year's draft and would still draft one high in the draft next year if the opportunity presented itself.

Mr_Tomahawk · 02-01-2017, 07:40 AM

This thread makes me hate Peterman.

Thanks.

**The Franchise** · 02-01-2017, 10:35 AM

Trade the **** up for Kizer, damnt.

O.city · 02-01-2017, 10:37 AM

Watson has the profile of playing well in big games. It sounds tebowish, but you've got the eye test there and for me, he's not in the Tebow category throwing the football. He needs cleaned up a little, but I don't really know that it would be that difficult.

O.city · 02-01-2017, 10:41 AM

I really like Kizer. If he got I to the late teens, I'd be very interested. I don't think he gets by Arizona though.

It sucks in that, I'm not sure many cases where trading up for a qb has worked. It's so much about being lucky.

**The Franchise** · 02-01-2017, 10:45 AM

Say the Browns trade for a QB (or sign one) and take Garrett at #1. I would offer up a package to move to #12 and take Kizer (if he fell that far).

RunKC · 02-01-2017, 11:12 AM

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Say the Browns trade for a QB (or sign one) and take Garrett at #1. I would offer up a package to move to #12 and take Kizer (if he fell that far).

We would get raped on compensation alone.

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2544064	Watson has the profile of playing well in big games. It sounds tebowish, but you've got the eye test there and for me, he's not in the Tebow category throwing the football. He needs cleaned up a little, but I don't really know that it would be that difficult.
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02-01-2017, 10:41 AM	#13
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2544064	I really like Kizer. If he got I to the late teens, I'd be very interested. I don't think he gets by Arizona though. It sucks in that, I'm not sure many cases where trading up for a qb has worked. It's so much about being lucky.
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02-01-2017, 10:45 AM	#14
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2885047	Say the Browns trade for a QB (or sign one) and take Garrett at #1. I would offer up a package to move to #12 and take Kizer (if he fell that far).
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