Insiders: Andy and Mahomes upset/mad

[Hammock Parties]

Just heard Fescoe talking about someone close to Andy that told him Andy was extremely distraught by this loss and knows he personally screwed up. This isn't just another loss. This affected Andy deeply.

I think we might see some changes going forward, especially in attention to late game situations.

The other thing I heard this morning from my source is that Mahomes was angry after the game yesterday. So angry that he was almost on the verge of tears. Going forward you might see more fire from Mahomes in leading this team and getting on others when shit goes south. Like Marino/Aikman type leadership.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

It’s getting really old watching the late game offensive strategy being one of not going for it on fourth downs and/or in general being willing to accept letting the defense be on the field to win the game. It has costs us over and over again.

Unless I have completely lost my marbles, Mr. mr. tegu, I believe the defense had several opportunities to "be on the field to win the game".

They even had an opportunity to do so with 1:21 to go, as I recall. They responded by giving up a 60-yard-plus drive and a 2-point conversion if I'm not mistaken.

FAX

[RunKC]

I’ll throw Andy a bone here on this: the offense has been worse this year without Kareem Hunt.

Half of our losses were because of stupid timely fumbles and we could have arguably won the Packers game without that one.

It’s just frustrating as hell to see these guys fumble so much. At some point it’s a player problem.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I’ll throw Andy a bone here on this: the offense has been worse this year without Kareem Hunt.

Half of our losses were because of stupid timely fumbles and we could have arguably won the Packers game without that one.

It’s just frustrating as hell to see these guys fumble so much. At some point it’s a player problem.

I want that rb from LSU

He would be unbelievable in an Andy Reid system

[FAX]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I’ll throw Andy a bone here on this: the offense has been worse this year without Kareem Hunt.

Half of our losses were because of stupid timely fumbles and we could have arguably won the Packers game without that one.

It’s just frustrating as hell to see these guys fumble so much. At some point it’s a player problem.

What we saw on Sunday was a total "team" failure. Offensive players not making plays they should normally make. Defensive players making crucial errors at critical moments. Special Teams players repeatedly attempting to stick their heads in each others' asses ... and succeeding.

And, of course, the coaches preparing the team all week to take a beating like a meringue.

Embarrassing all the way around ... and top to bottom.

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[DTVietnam]

Originally Posted by tredadda

I guess it’s better to mention this as a cause of our loss instead of the poor play call, missed XP, botched FG, blocked FG or the fumble that was returned for a TD.

what was the proper play call..If we run it and dont pick it up everyone would be saying we shoulda put the game in mahomes hand..we did and he slid for a 3 yrd loss. .

The loss isnt on him but hes gotta find a way to pick up that play. .

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by FAX

What we saw on Sunday was a total "team" failure. Offensive players not making plays they should normally make. Defensive players making crucial errors at critical moments. Special Teams players repeatedly attempting to stick their heads in each others' asses ... and succeeding.



And, of course, the coaches preparing the team all week to take a beating like a meringue.



Embarrassing all the way around ... and top to bottom.



FAX

I have not read the entire thread, but I have a question about Mahomes that might piss people off, but I would like to know your opinion anyway.

Is it possible that the failure of the Chiefs organization to to field a competent defense could influence Mahomes' decision to want to play in Kansas City long term, and lead to him trying to leverage his way out of KC?

Mahomes balled out at Texas Tech, but he continually lost games because the defense was absolutely terrible. It clearly bothered him, because he wants to win, but he never spoke up, one because of his leadership style, and two because he had no control over the defense, or who TT was recruiting for defense.

Last year after the AFCCG, he was again obviously pissed off about the laughably terrible defense. And that wasn't the only game where he seemed to be upset over poor defense. His body language and facial expressions are why I believe he was upset.

The two other games where he seemed the most upset were the Rams game, where he brought the team back over and over again only to lose, and the Chargers game where he built a 14 point lead with less than 5 minutes left in the game, and the defense capped itself.

This year is looking to be a repeat of last year, where Mahomes plays at an MVP level, and the defense once again eliminates the team from the playoffs.

That will mean that Reid and Veach have had 2 tries at building a semi-competent defense and failed.

I know we all think he is a great guy, and we would like to think he would never leave, but he wants to be a winner, and he deserves to be a winner. I think it's entirely possible that he could conclude that winning a championship in the NFL isn't possible with a Veach/Reid built defense.

I ask because I have zero confidence in this defense, and I have zero confidence in Spags. Spags may be better than Sutton, but what does that even really mean? I am afraid Reid will want to waste another 3 years of failure from his DC before making a change, and if by some miracle he does make a change before then, I have zero confidence that he could hire a DC that could improve the defense.

I am sure I will get flamed, because some people may believe that the defense is getting better, or whatever, but we are 10 games into the season, and we are giving up more second half rushing yards, 90, than any team in the last 25 years.

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[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I’ll throw Andy a bone here on this: the offense has been worse this year without Kareem Hunt.

Half of our losses were because of stupid timely fumbles and we could have arguably won the Packers game without that one.

It’s just frustrating as hell to see these guys fumble so much. At some point it’s a player problem.

They're the ones that decided a backfield of Jags could get the job done so it is their fault.

[farmerchief]

Originally Posted by srvy

Andy wont change his ego won't let him. With a 3rd and 2 their D was tired to you run the ball I mean a blind man could have seen it. Andy believes he can fool folks with his schemes and he does often but in crunch time believe in your back and o line to get you 2 yards. They burn a timeout clock doesn't stop and if you only get a yard go for it on 4th end that shit right there.

BINGO! Give this man the prize! I agree, wholeheartedly !

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

**** it, I can’t do all the negativity

Chiefs will rally and roll from here..

Ditto, I’m not giving up on this season at all

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Ditto, I’m not giving up on this season at all

I think you, pugs, and I need a safe space where we won't be rabbleroused and HammockPartied into epic depression.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by DTVietnam

what was the proper play call..If we run it and dont pick it up everyone would be saying we shoulda put the game in mahomes hand..we did and he slid for a 3 yrd loss. .

The loss isnt on him but hes gotta find a way to pick up that play. .

They knew we were running on 1st and 2nd down yet we still gained 8 yards. There are a number of things they could have done......

1. Single back run like the first two runs

2. I formation with Sherman as lead blocker and Darrell Williams running.

3. Jet sweep with the ball in the hands of the fastest player in the NFL

4. If you want to put the ball in the hands of Mahomes, that works as well as long as it’s not a TE screen to Blake freaking Bell who is not only terrible, but also the only option on the play.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Let's hope it is for the good. Because I can see it also going south real quickly because Pat tries to do too much and then starts forcing the ball more than usual thus throwing untimely pics.

Pat's frustration now is fighting against having the "Texas Tech Syndrome" takeover.

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Ditto, I’m not giving up on this season at all

neither am I

but uh

**** dude

****

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I think you, pugs, and I need a safe space where we won't be rabbleroused and HammockPartied into epic depression.

Well you poor, precious, little ladies probably need to drink more of your own urine and buck up!

[ptlyon]

EVERYONE - RELAX THY SPHINCHTERS.

WE GOT THIS

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

neither am I

but uh

**** dude

****

We lost the game by *3* points due to a 'comedy' of errors and ridiculousness. The loss absolutely ****ing sucked and was unacceptable. No one is disagreeing with that.

But while the loss may have been painful, it's not like we were dramatically outplayed and didn't belong on the same field as the mighty Titans. We just made a trillion and a half dumb errors. Had we gotten the last FG, gone into OT, won the toss, and seen Mahomes hit Hill on a deep pattern on the first play and won, would this team have in aggregate performed dramatically different on the day? Nope. Yet the entire vibe on this board and doomsday attitude would be markedly different.

That game sucked. But this team doesn't suck at all. We can still beat anyone just on the strength of our offense, and if our defense can find some level of consistency, I like our chances in the playoffs.