Anyone ever experience burnout?

[Mecca]

I feel like I'm there, I was there before Covid and feel like it's worse now. I legit have no motivation to do anything and I know I'm pessimistic and not fun to be around for the most part. If anyone wants further stuff I can deep dive but I need some advice because I feel like I'm stuck in the wallow not to escape.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I think people in IT try to be the company gem when they come in and try to get a project over the hump by putting in more hours. Over time, they come to expect it.

Work a productive 40 from the start and just don't give them the expectation you're gonna work another 20 every week. If you get a rash of shit for it, move on or demand more salary to compensate.

Too many workers underestimate their power in not pandemic times.

In my experience, the people who go the route of "pay me more if you want more hours" don't get more pay nearly as often as those who prove it first.... of course, there's no guarantee, but I've been fairly lucky with managers who will give it to me straight in that regard.

It depends on priorities though... if someone is happy salary-wise, then 40 hour work weeks will of course be ideal. I just get annoyed when people want it both ways, refusing to work more than 40 hours/week while bitching about never getting a decent raise and getting ahead.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

From another IT persons PoV, do not do this. Absolutely do not work like this, or work somewhere where this is expected out of you.

This will burn anyone out, regardless of profession. I left Warehouse management because it was getting to that level.

I work my 40 hours per week and I am done. My burn out comes from all the extra time studying and other shit that comes with it. But if you can't get the work done in 40, well that's on management to figure that problem out.

I worked 3750 hours last year. Does that make me a moron?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I worked 3750 hours last year. Does that make me a moron?

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[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I worked 3750 hours last year. Does that make me a moron?

Do you get time and a half? Or at least paid by the hour?

Or are you just a self-employed farmer who tracks how many hours you work?

[Al Bundy]

Sure have. It came to an end in April. I had a 2 month break from work and it refreshed me.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Do you get time and a half? Or at least paid by the hour?

Or are you just a self-employed farmer who tracks how many hours you work?

I have an SCorp so I have to pay myself a reasonable wage as dictated by the IRS. Nothing is more reasonable than an hourly wage. Plus the separation of my personal finances from the business is beneficial for me. Perhaps just psychologically, but it’s what I need to do.

I also work for an accountant during tax season as an hourly and anything I do on dads farm is hourly. So yeah. I keep hours.

No OT.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

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Yeah man. It’s different when it’s your money that goes out the window when shit doesn’t happen.

[crazycoffey]

I’m going to go back and read the thread, more than I’ve barely skimmed parts of it so far. I’ve thought about reading more, and maybe even responding. But let’s go with sharing first


Yes. Yes. Yes. More than I would wish on anyone. Sometimes it feels like a burnout every other couple months. Started 6 years ago. Hands up don’t shoot. The fallout, the recovery. Another fallout another recovery. And that’s just society jumping up and down over all cops are nazis to understanding Kap in any way makes you unamerican.

But personally, feeling the divide tearing like pulling flesh, slowly and pain filled. Over 6 years. Loss of friends and family connections over just being a police officer. Nothing more specific than wearing a badge.

It’s feeling never ending right now. 6 years, everyday getting harder, more scrutiny, from friends and family. It’s not just random strangers.

They suck sometimes too. Had a stranger ask me not to be too mean to a stalking black teen ex of her white daughter. Because “i know how you cops are with black people”.

There is a gigantic gap between perceived injustices and actual injustices over the last 6 years. And too many vocal opinions, and actions; are burning out many in the law enforcement community. All. Over. The. Country.

I’m really surprised it’s gotten to this point. But then again, covid only kills less than 1% of positive cases, and covid is a big problem in america media stories. Similar to cops killing black people (not even taking into consideration if it’s justified or not) and that’s the bigger story than all other reasons for black deaths, any deaths, in the BLM movement.

Yet it’s those like me, the American devil (literally hitler) who is judged for the color of his/her uniform, that is the “real problem” through out america today, according to the vocal majority right now.

Simply speaking. Yes.

Yes

Yes, I understand burnout. I am burnt the **** out. I don’t know how to go from this point in time right now.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Thank you for serving your community, crazycoffee

[Red Dawg]

Burn out? Yes. Got 4 years to go and my kids will be off my payroll. Life will be easier.

[displacedinMN]

Going out on a limb here--It will make me sound like a big fat marshmallow.

It has taken a lot of guts for us all (me included) to pour out our guts here. Publically.
I want the best for everyone here and hope you can overcome the challenges that are happening to you. None of us are alone. Either here or at home.

Get help. Talk to someone. Get it off your chest. Doctors understand. Xanax is not necessarily a bad thing.


Therapy helped me-but I may need to go back. As of now, I will be back into almost the same situation as I was in Feb. Although bitch that called me a racist is gone. She may be responding to a shooting in MPLS soon.

Done. It is getting foggy in here.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Burn out? Yes. Got 4 years to go and my kids will be off my payroll. Life will be easier.

Man are you in for a shock.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

Going out on a limb here--It will make me sound like a big fat marshmallow.

It has taken a lot of guts for us all (me included) to pour out our guts here. Publically.
I want the best for everyone here and hope you can overcome the challenges that are happening to you. None of us are alone. Either here or at home.

Get help. Talk to someone. Get it off your chest. Doctors understand. Xanax is not necessarily a bad thing.


Therapy helped me-but I may need to go back. As of now, I will be back into almost the same situation as I was in Feb. Although bitch that called me a racist is gone. She may be responding to a shooting in MPLS soon.

Done. It is getting foggy in here.

I've never received mental therapy but the stigma is stupid. Your not weak because you get mental help. That some idiots think that pisses me off.

I've seen it help so many people. Made a big difference in their life. I've always saw therapy as a legit health option as any other part of your healthcare.

I'd like to see the acceptance of mental therapy accepted as legit by everyone soon. Thanks for sharing.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I've never received mental therapy but the stigma is stupid. Your not weak because you get mental help. That some idiots think that pisses me off.

I've seen it help so many people. Made a big difference in their life. I've always saw therapy as a legit health option as any other part of your healthcare.

I'd like to see the acceptance of mental therapy accepted as legit by everyone soon. Thanks for sharing.

Self-pride is real literal killer at times. Worst case I ever dealt with in reference to self-pride however, didn't come from a man but from a woman. I was counseling this teenage kid 16(male) who was dealing with depression. His parents forced him to go. I started digging as to how he was self-medicating for that and he said, "I like alcohol". Started digging deeper as to how much and often and it was tremendous. He was hiding the hard stuff in the toilet tank from his parents and killing at least a quart almost everyday. His parents had no idea he even drank or they just chose to ignore the signs. At that time the movie "Clean and Sober" with Michael Keaton had just come out. I told him go watch that movie and then come back and let's talk about it. To say the least, he came back and was even more brutally honest in his drinking and said, "I am Keaton but with alcohol". He loved the movie because he saw hope and a way out. I told him now we need to bring your parents in and have a family discussion about not only your drinking issue but what makes you drink. His main issue was his mother who was southern born mind you and made John Wayne look like a pussy.

To say the least, the father and the kid were all on board to getting inpatient tx. And their insurance covered treatment mind you. But the mother ? She said, " No son of mine has a drinking problem and this is just a phase and we will get through it". The son at that point begged his mother over and over and said, "I'm sick Mom, I'm sick and I need serious help"(with tears in his eyes). I then intervened, so as to show the mother how sick he was and said to the son, "Tell your mom how much you drink and where you have all the hard stuff hid all over the house right now." After the son told her, the look she gave me across the table was as though she briefly turned into Satan and wanted to obliterate me right then and there on the spot. But she turned back to her son and said, "You have no drinking problem and we will get through this". The father was just quietly passive through all of this which said volumes about who wore the pants in the family. Even though the son was close to his father you could also see the son was severely disappointed let down again by his father's passivity to intervene and take charge regardless of the mother's selfish pride. Understand this was just only the 3rd session.

This kid was a hardcore drinker and no outpatient was going to work and I knew that and so did he and his father. But his mom would have none of it. Just sad.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

In my experience, the people who go the route of "pay me more if you want more hours" don't get more pay nearly as often as those who prove it first.... of course, there's no guarantee, but I've been fairly lucky with managers who will give it to me straight in that regard.

It depends on priorities though... if someone is happy salary-wise, then 40 hour work weeks will of course be ideal. I just get annoyed when people want it both ways, refusing to work more than 40 hours/week while bitching about never getting a decent raise and getting ahead.

This works both ways and I think you aren't quite on the same page with me here. There's a difference between working 80+ hours a week slamming your head against the wall for your employer and working your 40 hours and taking some of your own time to learn things that interest you and invest in your own continuing education.

That's different from someone who works the 40 and goes home to play video games all weekend or watch public access TV. I do not put in a minute over 40 hours on the actual job, but I do spend time advancing my own ability. At the same time, I'm not going to pretend I know it all because it's just imposters syndrome.

With that said, you have to look at it from the employers prospective. Why the **** should we hire another person so Bearcat can have a reasonable life when he's already doing the work of two people? We're saving money. On the same token, why should we pay Bearcat more when they're already doing all this shit at salary X?

If you really need to work 80 hours a week to get anything more well I'm truly sorry. When I had my early mid-life crisis I checked out a company doing something completely different and how they tried to sell you on your own self-worth being tied to working 7 days a week 10+ hours a day was Top 5 grossest things I've dealt with in my working life. Is the money really worth it if your life is a pile of shit? I know people who rack in 150k+ a year as an AWS specialist and don't even work 40 a week. I know it's not impossible.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We swapped resumes didn't we? I have 20+ technical certifications. Not a single one braindumped. I have to do this shit in the real world. Cant shortcut the tech or yourself in the real world. You cant hide. Everyone will know your tech skills in a few months anyway. I'll set aside time on the weekend to deep dive into the new tech. I'll watch a baseball game and set up stuff to practice with. I do still love the learning of new tech. That helps.

I'm not sitting on 20 plus, but I've racked up 3 in the last year and would have 4 if not for COVID-19. Hoping to get one more in before the year is up.

I'm starting to learn in this industry that it's perfectly fine to not know everything. I admit it all the time at my current job.

It's okay because your co-worker and your boss probably doesn't know either. Show a willingness to learn and that you can do your own research and pick things up quickly. I think that's the one thing I really learned after being put on furlough and think that's why I got this current job.