Patrick Mahomes - A Godly Hard Count

[dlphg9]

So something that I haven't seen many people talking about is how good Patrick Mahomes is at getting the D to jump off sides. It seems that every game Mahomes is getting the opponents defense to go early, so once again I got a bit curious as to what the numbers looked like.

We will start with offside penalties. In total PMII forced the D to jump offside 21 times over the course of the season (these numbers included postseason games). The next closest team was the Bengals with a measly 13. So getting the opponent to jump offside is very impressive, but I think the most impressive is that 9 of those 21 penalties were declined. That means when Patrick Mahomes was given a free play, he was able to take advantage of that free play 43% of the time. The 2nd place team (Bengals) only had 3 declined offside penalties. Not only is he the best to get the other team to jump offside, but he is also elite at making the most of those free plays. When you add in the 4 encroachment penalties and the 9 neutral zone infractions to the offside penalties it gives Mahomes 34 times that he was able to make the opponents jump. That is good enough to put the Chiefs at the top of the league and the next closest team is the Redskins with 20 (7 offside, 0 encroachment, 13 NZI). Last year the Chiefs had 23 of the combined penalties.

Seriously, is there anything that he isn't elite at? I knew he was good at getting the other team to jump, but I didn't realize how much he dominated everyone else.

[Skyy God]

Setting up the punter.

[htismaqe]

This is one of THE most interesting parts of his game, IMO.

I cannot believe how well he uses the hard count for being a 1st-year starter.

[jjjayb]

It's that froggy voice that makes people jump. Must be a subconscious thing.

[Dayze]

you mean he shouldn't be like Cam and yell out a prolonged "Reeeaddyyyyyyyyyyy....set hut"

each and every time?

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Dayze

you mean he shouldn't be like Cam and yell out a prolonged "Reeeaddyyyyyyyyyyy....set hut"

each and every time?

Cam Newton is such an overrated pos.

[Prison Bitch]

The DL is jumping because they’re desperate to stop us, and desperate for a pass rush since our WR cannot be covered. Esp with Pats arm reaching every spot on the field.


It’s them being jumpy moreso than his voice.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The DL is jumping because they’re desperate to stop us, and desperate for a pass rush since our WR cannot be covered. Esp with Pats arm reaching every spot on the field.


It’s them being jumpy moreso than his voice.

Definitely plays a part, but he's executing it very well. The Colts defense had been very disciplined and he made them look sloppy as hell.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Definitely plays a part, but he's executing it very well. The Colts defense had been very disciplined and he made them look sloppy as hell.

I doubt there’s much of a phonic diff among the QB, unless we are to believe Red Rocket is also a master at this.


I’ll say this: horse-face was the one guy I’d make an exception to.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I doubt there’s much of a phonic diff among the QB, unless we are to believe Red Rocket is also a master at this.


I’ll say this: horse-face was the one guy I’d make an exception to.

OK. Well loads of former players who have discussed it disagree that there isn't a difference from one QB to the next, but feel free to go with that.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

OK. Well loads of former players who have discussed it disagree that there isn't a difference from one QB to the next, but feel free to go with that.

Then post the data, so we don’t have to debate it. I’m persuadable. “Former players have said” isn’t persuasion tho.


In 2014 for example the top QB drawing teams offsides was the sly Ryan Tannehill. 2nd was Robert Griffin. Maybe they used to be the masters?
http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/p...287397581.html

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Definitely plays a part, but he's executing it very well. The Colts defense had been very disciplined and he made them look sloppy as hell.

Reid must have spotted a tendency. Because it was said that they worked on that hard count all week knowing it would throw indy completely off. But yeah, mahomes' hard count has been terrific all year and another great advantage to playing at home.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The DL is jumping because they’re desperate to stop us, and desperate for a pass rush since our WR cannot be covered. Esp with Pats arm reaching every spot on the field.


It’s them being jumpy moreso than his voice.

[RockChalk]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Is there anything he's good at evaluating? You should read his takes in the KU Hoops thread.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The DL is jumping because they’re desperate to stop us, and desperate for a pass rush since our WR cannot be covered. Esp with Pats arm reaching every spot on the field.


It’s them being jumpy moreso than his voice.

I could see that, but the highest scoring offense of all time, 2013 Denver Broncos, had only 19 of those penalties and thats because of 13 neutral zone infractions. I would say NZI would be least effected by the hard count.

Ive heard several times on TV that Aaron Rodgers is one of the best at getting teams to jump offside. In 2011 the Packers scored the 4th most points ever. That year Rodgers made the opponents jump offside 13 times, encroachment 5 times, and NZI 11 times. The 2015 Green Bay Packers who were ranked 15th in the league that year in ppg, so in no way was that a dominant offense. That year Rodgers got the D to jump offside 21 times, 7 NZI, and 1 encroachment.

So while I do think the D wanting to have as much of as advantage to stop the offense has something to do with it, but you cant discount the QBs hard count making them jump.