Fire Bob Sutton

[petegz28]

That is all.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by New World Order

He's an Alex Smith one who sucks the penis

That's irrelevant. My point stands.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by New World Order

We're right there, kinda like Jordan's Bulls before they won all of those titles.

GREAT analogy.

People are just having PTSD flashbacks.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

No...this has gone off tangent to the Chiefs somehow being run worse than the shitshow that the Packers have been recently.



Imagine missing the playoffs. TWO YEARS IN A ROW.



Never happened here, only happened one time in Philly, because he had a dog murderer for a QB and his sons went off the reservation.

You said Mahomes would not be wasted by this organization, and I pointed to the fact that we have had HFA 3 times and have won 1 home playoff game out of the last 8 home playoff games, and that I felt we were going to waste Mahomes like the Packers wasted Rodgers, except we would not get one Super Bowl.

I offered actual evidence of how the Chiefs continue to blow playoff games, and I said how could you call a team that has blown HFA 3 times, and not been to a Super Bowl since 1969 better than a team that has won 2 Super Bowls since then.

Seriously, how? Then I pointed out all the perennial losers that have been to a Super Bowl since 1969 like the Colts, the Bucs, the Aints, and even an expansion team the Panthers have all been to a Super Bowl since 1969, and asked how you can justify saying that the Chiefs are ran better than those teams.

I'm sorry, but because you love the Chiefs isn't a reasonable argument to why they are better than teams that have been to, and been to and won, a Super Bowl since our last appearance in a Super Bowl.

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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Some personnel changes, some drafting, and a little more discipline will put this franchise right where it needs to be, no problem.

[gold_and_red]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

You said Mahomes would not be wasted by this organization, and I pointed to the fact that we have had HFA 3 times and have won 1 home playoff game out of the last 8 home playoff games, and that I felt we were going to waste Mahomes like the Packers wasted Rodgers, except we would not get one Super Bowl.

I offered actual evidence of how the Chiefs continue to blow playoff games, and I said how could you call a team that has blown HFA 3 times, and not been to a Super Bowl since 1969 better than a team that has won 2 Super Bowls since then.

Seriously, how? Then I pointed out all the perennial losers that have been to a Super Bowl since 1969 like the Colts, the Bucs, the Aints, and even an expansion team the Panthers have all been to a Super Bowl since 1969, and asked how you can justify saying that the Chiefs are ran better than those teams.

I'm sorry, but because you love the Chiefs isn't a reasonable argument to why they are better than teams that have been to, and been to and won, a Super Bowl since our last appearance in a Super Bowl.

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You need a lot of luck to win a SB (think 2015 Broncos). The only team in the last 20 years that has transcended the typical ebb and flow of the NFL is the Patriots.
Having said that look at the Rams. They were in the same boat as us after last season - one and done home playoff loss. Sure they lucked out with the refs today but they got the players and coaches needed to field a defense that can get stops when needed. When has Sutton's D done that in crunch time? The OT Saints drive would have been a TD like clockwork against this Chiefs D.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

You said Mahomes would not be wasted by this organization, and I pointed to the fact that we have had HFA 3 times and have won 1 home playoff game out of the last 8 home playoff games, and that I felt we were going to waste Mahomes like the Packers wasted Rodgers, except we would not get one Super Bowl.

I offered actual evidence of how the Chiefs continue to blow playoff games, and I said how could you call a team that has blown HFA 3 times, and not been to a Super Bowl since 1969 better than a team that has won 2 Super Bowls since then.

Seriously, how? Then I pointed out all the perennial losers that have been to a Super Bowl since 1969 like the Colts, the Bucs, the Aints, and even an expansion team the Panthers have all been to a Super Bowl since 1969, and asked how you can justify saying that the Chiefs are ran better than those teams.

I'm sorry, but because you love the Chiefs isn't a reasonable argument to why they are better than teams that have been to, and been to and won, a Super Bowl since our last appearance in a Super Bowl.

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Mahomes had nothing to do with HFA those other times.

Like I said, the Packers can't even make the playoffs recently.

That ain't us. We ARE a better run organization at this point in time.

And as this season proved, when we were ONE PLAY away from the SB, things are going to be different going forward.

You want to look at 30 years of history to say we're run worse than these other teams. That's irrelevant. What Pioli and Carl did doesn't enter into this conversation.

Right now, in the present, we are better run than the shitshow the Packers have been, and that tells me we won't waste Mahomes.

The Packers wasted Rodgers because THEY COULDN'T EVEN WIN THEIR DIVISION half the time.

That ain't this franchise in recent memory.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Some personnel changes, some drafting, and a little more discipline will put this franchise right where it needs to be, no problem.

Andy Reid will never win.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

And where was our "prolific offense" that first half? Those ****ers were goddamn lucky to enter the 2nd half with such a low deficit on the scoreboard.

??

We are agreeing yet I feel you are arguing with me.

[Hammock Parties]

We had HFA twice before Mahomes, and yes it was squandered.

But it was squandered because of QB play.

Alex Smith squandered five years of highly successful football teams.

If you don't think someone like Mahomes can take that same run of success to the highest of highs you ain't watched him spin a football.

It's like the 90s Steelers.

"Ooooh my god we squandered HFA because we lost to John Elway when are we ever going to go back to the Super Bowl ohhh my god"

How about not starting Kordell ****ing Stewart and Neil goddamn O'Donnell in your playoff games?

[Mecca]

I don't know how well run this organization is...there is a ton of cap space used on a defense that sucks ass.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

We had HFA twice before Mahomes, and yes it was squandered.

But it was squandered because of QB play.

Alex Smith squandered five years of highly successful football teams.

If you don't think someone like Mahomes can take that same run of success to the highest of highs you ain't watched him spin a football.

It's like the 90s Steelers.

"Ooooh my god we squandered HFA because we lost to John Elway when are we ever going to go back to the Super Bowl ohhh my god"

How about not starting Kordell ****ing Stewart and Neil goddamn O'Donnell in your playoff games?

Can you imagine Mahomes with what Sutton inherited when he first arrived? No team in the league could stop that.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

??

We are agreeing yet I feel you are arguing with me.

I'm not. We're in agreement. Reid got fist-****ed by BB the first half.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by gold_and_red

You need a lot of luck to win a SB (think 2015 Broncos). The only team in the last 20 years that has transcended the typical ebb and flow of the NFL is the Patriots.

Having said that look at the Rams. They were in the same boat as us after last season - one and done home playoff loss. Sure they lucked out with the refs today but they got the players and coaches needed to field a defense that can get stops when needed. When has Sutton's D done that in crunch time? The OT Saints drive would have been a TD like clockwork against this Chiefs D.

I can agree that to get to, or win a Super Bowl you have to get some good breaks.

But an expansion team has been to 2 Super Bowls since our last appearance. Laughingstocks like the Cardinals, the Colts, the Bucs, and the original Cleveland Browns (now called the Ravens) have all been to a Super Bowl since 1969.

I don't want to waste Mahomes, because he may be the only superstar QB this franchise will ever have, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the Chiefs are capable, as an organization, of identifying and eliminating roadblocks to getting to a Super Bowl, like poor coaching, bad drafting, poor free agent acquisitions, etc.

Am I feeling very negative because of the outcome of the game? Yes. Am I saying something that isn't true? No.

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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't know how well run this organization is...there is a ton of cap space used on a defense that sucks ass.

Dude I get that, I truly do. That said, can we have ONE full off season and draft preparation with a full pocket of picks before we proclaim Bret Veach a failure?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Dude I get that, I truly do. That said, can we have ONE full off season and draft preparation with a full pocket of picks before we proclaim Bret Veach a failure?

I just feel like in order to fix this defense with the craphole the last draft looks like, by the time it's good enough Mahomes is gonna be getting his buttload of money and then that's an issue.