Chiefs How much does fixing the front seven fix the secondary? - Page 2

ntexascardfan · 01-25-2019, 02:38 PM

Thinking to our off-season plans and the draft this is the question I keep asking myself.

The conventional wisdom I've seen with most of our off-season moves + mock drafts has been to address the secondary.

My gut tells me if we solve the riddle of the run game and find a true ILB that isn't Ragland that our pass defense will improve by virtue of not being put into so many tough down/distance situations where they are having to do guesswork at the snap.

I think what I learned this year is figure out how to get the ball in Mahomes hands as much as possible. If that means we overcorrect and throw all our resources into fixing the run game, then so be it.

I'll take my chances with Pat winning a game where he gets to touch the ball on a dozen possessions v. the games where teams bleed us for 7 minutes a drive and he gets to touch the ball on 5 drives.

CoMoChief · 01-25-2019, 04:34 PM

Anytime you can pressure the QB, it helps the secondary.

Having that said, Chiefs need about 2 CB's and at least 1 safety.

Chiefs need help at every layer on D. Which is good for draft, they can essentially draft for BDPA w/ their first 4 picks..or at least they SHOULD.

ChiefoftheKeyboard · 01-25-2019, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Anytime you can pressure the QB, it helps the secondary.

Having that said, Chiefs need about 2 CB's and at least 1 safety.

Chiefs need help at every layer on D. Which is good for draft, they can essentially draft for BDPA w/ their first 4 picks..or at least they SHOULD.

I agree, but only one of the CB’s needs to be a starter. If Ward continues the same development he’s shown they could get away with another developmental guy as the second.

Angry fan · 01-25-2019, 05:52 PM

The last game got me thinking. See how the Patriots had shutdown corners so they could run cover zero? Imagine doing that to the Patriots and Tom Brady. Brady would have to get rid of it faster. He probably has the checkdown route for it. But the Chiefs hold em to a small gain or an incompletion! What the chiefs need is a shutdown corner. And then 3 more competent corners who can shutdown for the first few seconds.

What corners are on the market this off season or available for trade? That's what the Chiefs need.

JakeF · 01-25-2019, 06:30 PM

The secondary needs more help than the front. When Sutton moved Houston from playing standup linebacker to DE our Defense improved. When Sutton started keeping Nnadi in there as much as possible for run defense our defense improved a little more.

If we move to a 4-3 I think our front-7 is already decent.

I think we should tag/trade Dee Ford. He doesn't really fit the 4-3 scheme and we can't afford to have another sketchy contract like Houston and Berry implode on us.

I think Houston can be a very good DE if he's healthy. I think putting Jones at DE will allow him to attack and use his athletic ability and no longer have him be a liability against the run in the middle.

Jones, Williams, Nnadi, Houston
Niemann, Hitchen, O'Daniel

Nnadi and Williams in there for max protection for our linebackers. Hitchen will be much better with protection. O'Daniel is good in space. The Niemann spot should probably be upgraded.

It will be interesting to see whether our secondary players improve with different coaching.

Wallcrawler · 01-25-2019, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

. If Berry somehow returns to form, even better.

We have a better shot at getting Landon Collins to sign through the allure of his favorite DC, coupled with the Mahomes factor than Eric Berry contributing anything meanjngful to the team.

Need to just rip off the bandaid. Injury settlement and move on.

baitism · 01-25-2019, 08:03 PM

The Panthers went to the SB back in the Delhomme days with a bad ass front seven and a bunch of JAGs in the secondary. So, it does matter.

**cdcox** · 01-25-2019, 11:46 PM

It is outdated to talk about the front 7 vs the secondary. The front 5 excells against the pass and is adequate against the run. The ILB and secondary are the issue.

threebag · 01-26-2019, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The secondary just needs talent, they're so grabby because they aren't skilled.

Outside of like Fuller that secondary is a pile of complete meh.

Watts and Ward are going to be good

Mecca · 01-26-2019, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism

The Panthers went to the SB back in the Delhomme days with a bad ass front seven and a bunch of JAGs in the secondary. So, it does matter.

That was a different era of football, those Jags were allowed to touch receivers.

01-25-2019, 02:38 PM
ntexascardfan Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Casino cash: $7034900	How much does fixing the front seven fix the secondary? Thinking to our off-season plans and the draft this is the question I keep asking myself. The conventional wisdom I've seen with most of our off-season moves + mock drafts has been to address the secondary. My gut tells me if we solve the riddle of the run game and find a true ILB that isn't Ragland that our pass defense will improve by virtue of not being put into so many tough down/distance situations where they are having to do guesswork at the snap. I think what I learned this year is figure out how to get the ball in Mahomes hands as much as possible. If that means we overcorrect and throw all our resources into fixing the run game, then so be it. I'll take my chances with Pat winning a game where he gets to touch the ball on a dozen possessions v. the games where teams bleed us for 7 minutes a drive and he gets to touch the ball on 5 drives.
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01-25-2019, 04:34 PM	#16
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8052254	Anytime you can pressure the QB, it helps the secondary. Having that said, Chiefs need about 2 CB's and at least 1 safety. Chiefs need help at every layer on D. Which is good for draft, they can essentially draft for BDPA w/ their first 4 picks..or at least they SHOULD. __________________
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01-25-2019, 05:52 PM	#18
Angry fan Starter Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $10000400	The last game got me thinking. See how the Patriots had shutdown corners so they could run cover zero? Imagine doing that to the Patriots and Tom Brady. Brady would have to get rid of it faster. He probably has the checkdown route for it. But the Chiefs hold em to a small gain or an incompletion! What the chiefs need is a shutdown corner. And then 3 more competent corners who can shutdown for the first few seconds. What corners are on the market this off season or available for trade? That's what the Chiefs need.
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01-25-2019, 06:30 PM	#19
JakeF MVP Join Date: May 2017 Casino cash: $9990400	The secondary needs more help than the front. When Sutton moved Houston from playing standup linebacker to DE our Defense improved. When Sutton started keeping Nnadi in there as much as possible for run defense our defense improved a little more. If we move to a 4-3 I think our front-7 is already decent. I think we should tag/trade Dee Ford. He doesn't really fit the 4-3 scheme and we can't afford to have another sketchy contract like Houston and Berry implode on us. I think Houston can be a very good DE if he's healthy. I think putting Jones at DE will allow him to attack and use his athletic ability and no longer have him be a liability against the run in the middle. Jones, Williams, Nnadi, Houston Niemann, Hitchen, O'Daniel Nnadi and Williams in there for max protection for our linebackers. Hitchen will be much better with protection. O'Daniel is good in space. The Niemann spot should probably be upgraded. It will be interesting to see whether our secondary players improve with different coaching.
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01-25-2019, 08:03 PM	#21
baitism Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Overland Park, KS Casino cash: $5149551	The Panthers went to the SB back in the Delhomme days with a bad ass front seven and a bunch of JAGs in the secondary. So, it does matter.
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01-25-2019, 11:46 PM	#22
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $2361769	It is outdated to talk about the front 7 vs the secondary. The front 5 excells against the pass and is adequate against the run. The ILB and secondary are the issue.
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