KU So Bill Self knew . . . . ?

BWillie · 10-15-2018, 03:43 PM

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**** the NCAA tho

What did the NCAA do? Enforce their rules? They have to clean up the mess that the NBA and NFL create by their idiotic discriminatory rules. I have no idea how the 19 year old rule is even in place. The NBA knowingly is forcing kids to go to college and to use the NCAA as their free cost to them minor league system.

People shit on the NCAA and I'm tired of it. Nobody is forcing these kids to do anything. They know all the rules before they show up. Don't want to play by the rules? Fine. Do what Mitchell Robinson did - sit out. Or do what lots of kids did - go play in Europe for a year. Stop ****ing whining about the NCAA. The NCAA has to deal with this shit. Let me assure you - the NCAA would love nothing more than to NOT have to deal with these Top 30 kids who are always involved in back alley agent, AAU and shoe company deals. Less work for them to try to investigate stuff.

Eleazar · 10-15-2018, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

What did the NCAA do? Enforce their rules? They have to clean up the mess that the NBA and NFL create by their idiotic discriminatory rules. I have no idea how the 19 year old rule is even in place. The NBA knowingly is forcing kids to go to college and to use the NCAA as their free cost to them minor league system.

People shit on the NCAA and I'm tired of it. Nobody is forcing these kids to do anything. They know all the rules before they show up. Don't want to play by the rules? Fine. Do what Mitchell Robinson did - sit out. Or do what lots of kids did - go play in Europe for a year. Stop ****ing whining about the NCAA. The NCAA has to deal with this shit. Let me assure you - the NCAA would love nothing more than to NOT have to deal with these Top 30 kids who are always involved in back alley agent, AAU and shoe company deals. Less work for them to try to investigate stuff.

Yep. It's not like these players, who all know what's permissible and what isn't, have no alternative but to come to the NCAA and try to cheat the system. But there are still plenty of them who are willing to jeopardize their careers and choose a school based on a few easy bucks under the table now.

And there are plenty of boosters and sponsors willing to try to cheat the system to get them there, because the chances of anything major happening are so low.

The coaches being in on the whole thing isn't surprising, they just weren't betting on an FBI investigation and wiretaps and whatall to catch them.

-King- · 10-15-2018, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

What did the NCAA do? Enforce their rules? They have to clean up the mess that the NBA and NFL create by their idiotic discriminatory rules. I have no idea how the 19 year old rule is even in place. The NBA knowingly is forcing kids to go to college and to use the NCAA as their free cost to them minor league system.

People shit on the NCAA and I'm tired of it. Nobody is forcing these kids to do anything. They know all the rules before they show up. Don't want to play by the rules? Fine. Do what Mitchell Robinson did - sit out. Or do what lots of kids did - go play in Europe for a year. Stop ****ing whining about the NCAA. The NCAA has to deal with this shit. Let me assure you - the NCAA would love nothing more than to NOT have to deal with these Top 30 kids who are always involved in back alley agent, AAU and shoe company deals. Less work for them to try to investigate stuff.

Drop the rule that players can't get paid by 3rd parties. That's should be easy enough for the NCAA to do.
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BWillie · 10-15-2018, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Drop the rule that players can't get paid by 3rd parties. That's should be easy enough for the NCAA to do.
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Yes - that is what I would do if I was the NCAA. I'd cap it - and tax it. But the NCAA is free to run their organization the way they see fit IMO.

-King- · 10-15-2018, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Yes - that is what I would do if I was the NCAA. I'd cap it - and tax it. But the NCAA is free to run their organization the way they see fit IMO.

Why cap it and tax it? If some car dealership wants to give a player 50k, let them. If the player wants to get endorsements and hire an agent/financial manager, let them. Why does the ncaa have to get involved at all?
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BWillie · 10-15-2018, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Why cap it and tax it? If some car dealership wants to give a player 50k, let them. If the player wants to get endorsements and hire an agent/financial manager, let them. Why does the ncaa have to get involved at all?
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Well, because then it won't be fair to mid major teams. Cap it at 100k. 99% of athletes won't get anything anyway - but it would be a huge advantage if it is out in the open for schools if it was unlimited. And tax it because if you don't - it's money laundering.

-King- · 10-15-2018, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Well, because then it won't be fair to mid major teams. Cap it at 100k. 99% of athletes won't get anything anyway - but it would be a huge advantage if it is out in the open for schools if it was unlimited. And tax it because if you don't - it's money laundering.

How is it not fair for mid majors? Players would still be able to earn money there.

And plus, if it was about fairness we shouldn't allow schools to have hundred million dollar facilities either. All schools should have the same facilities and there should also be a cap on how much coaches earn, etc.

And players would still have to report it as income and get taxed by the government so why should they get taxed by the NCAA also?
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BWillie · 10-15-2018, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

How is it not fair for mid majors? Players would still be able to earn money there.

And plus, if it was about fairness we shouldn't allow schools to have hundred million dollar facilities either. All schools should have the same facilities and there should also be a cap on how much coaches earn, etc.

And players would still have to report it as income and get taxed by the government so why should they get taxed by the NCAA also?
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I'm not saying get taxed by NCAA. Just in general - that is part of the issue here. Taxman not getting their dough.

Kansas has way more wealthy boosters than say - College of Charelston or something.

carcosa · 10-16-2018, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

What did the NCAA do? Enforce their rules? They have to clean up the mess that the NBA and NFL create by their idiotic discriminatory rules. I have no idea how the 19 year old rule is even in place. The NBA knowingly is forcing kids to go to college and to use the NCAA as their free cost to them minor league system.

People shit on the NCAA and I'm tired of it. Nobody is forcing these kids to do anything. They know all the rules before they show up. Don't want to play by the rules? Fine. Do what Mitchell Robinson did - sit out. Or do what lots of kids did - go play in Europe for a year. Stop ****ing whining about the NCAA. The NCAA has to deal with this shit. Let me assure you - the NCAA would love nothing more than to NOT have to deal with these Top 30 kids who are always involved in back alley agent, AAU and shoe company deals. Less work for them to try to investigate stuff.

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