Chiefs Let's talk about the Nate Taylor monologue - Page 4

Direckshun · 02-28-2024, 08:17 AM

Nate Taylor, on the most recently episode of ~~Time's Ours~~ Only Weird Games, said that the Sneed dynamic is a punishment for both the Chiefs and Sneed, despite the fact that both parties did everything right.

They drafted him, they developed him, they rostered him and played him.

He did everything they asked, he had zero off the field concerns, and played for them at an All Pro level.

And now, because the marriage between the parties was so successful, he likely has the leave the team and play elsewhere.

I was thinking this over. And I agree, this is a less than ideal situation for both teams -- sure Sneed gets paid, and the Chiefs likely get compensation. But the best outcome would have been for Sneed to stay in KC and get paid here. That's just structurally unlikely, however, because of the restriction of the salary cap.

I also think that maybe this is the least worst way we can approach the issue.

Maybe the league could carve out salary cap exceptions for players that a team drafts. Or maybe even that a team drafts on the third day, to reward both sides for their development and hard work.

What are your thoughts on this issue? How might you opt to resolve it?

**BigRedChief** · 02-28-2024, 10:02 AM

Summing up...... Everything was done right but the outcome still sucks.

I wouldn't want to get rid of the salary cap. Baseball could be saved with one, but they are idiots. If we had a "baseball" type structure in football, Mahomes would have left after his rookie deal.

RunKC · 02-28-2024, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

KC Lab minus Matt Lane is good.

Fixed.

Also Verderame's show is good so far. Really insightful and his guests are top notch

O.city · 02-28-2024, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

KC Lab is good.

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

I've enjoyed football way more when I stopped listening to all media regarding football. Its all speculation/sensationalist bullshit

I don't think any of the KC stuff is worth my time, or any more insightful than what I get here.

I listen to a couple pods on football and the content is just way better than anything we have here.

RunKC · 02-28-2024, 10:22 AM

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If Veach had offered Sneed 13-14 mil a year for 4 years last year Sneed signs it in a heart beat. It’s Veach’s one major flaw.

Now Sneed did take a gigantic leap, and he’s going to be glad he was never offered

Players like Sneed don't want to take early deals. And why would they? Their first 2 years are marked by them being a good CB. Why would you not bet on yourself?

Worst case happens and he tears his ACL or ruptured his Achilles. Bashaud Breeland went through a worst case scenario and still made $9 million in 7 years.

A decent corner in this league is getting at least $5 million APY. He'd still make that if it didn't work out. Why not shoot for the stars if you're almost assuredly getting $5 million a year as a baseline?

O.city · 02-28-2024, 10:27 AM

The Chiefs are going to be good and win games late into January. There's no reason to not bet on yourself with the amount of eyeballs that will be on you.

The days of signing guys early is probably over.

smithandrew051 · 02-28-2024, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Summing up...... Everything was done right but the outcome still sucks.

I wouldn't want to get rid of the salary cap. Baseball could be saved with one, but they are idiots. If we had a "baseball" type structure in football, Mahomes would have left after his rookie deal.

But does it really suck?

Before Sneed was drafted, both the Chiefs and Sneed would’ve been ecstatic at this outcome.

Sneed gives the Chiefs 4 great years. Sneed gets to go get a big second contract somewhere. The two get 2 Lombardis together.

It’s maybe a little emotional because Sneed is a person and all. We tend to feel like we almost know these guys after awhile, but ultimately the totality of the situation was great for everyone involved.

Direckshun · 02-28-2024, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Fixed.

Also Verderame's show is good so far. Really insightful and his guests are top notch

He has a show?

Direckshun · 02-28-2024, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

As who who this 'punishes' - well....I'm not sure it punishes anyone. The Chiefs drafted and got the benefits of a great player on a rookie contract. Now he wants to get paid and will - somewhere. What's Taylor's alternative? No free agency? Annual deals and a yearly free for all for everybody? No cap? No floor?

Who's 'punished' by a market being a market?

This is one of those things that must've sounded good in Taylor's head as he was trying to be high and mighty but really didn't make any sense because what we are seeing is a fairly natural progression.

Taylor didn't mention how you'd replace the system, and I spitballed a couple ideas in the OP.

The system we have now is, probably, the least worst option. Terez Paylor used to call it the "happy tax" -- when you're a great team in a league founded on parity, you're going to have your coaches poached and you're going to have to let a number of players walk.

It's what the Patriots did for decades.

Dunerdr · 02-28-2024, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4

To be fair he followed Terez so those were some huge shoes to fill. Having said that he just doesn't seem to understand the business side or the Xs and Os part. That's a bad combination. In essence he's just a guy who hears rumors before we do. He obviously had zero insight into the Orlando Brown situation.

He hears some often wrong rumors and starts taking them as fact. I'd actually like Nick Jacobs in a role like this more but I don't think hes personable enough.

CoMoChief · 02-28-2024, 10:47 AM

Can't pay everybody.

That's the downside of being a great team and winning multiple championships. Everyone wants a piece of that pie.

Sneed is likely to play elsewhere because the Chiefs probably aren't going to pay what he's worth, unless he's willing to take a discount. Fans think he should so that the band can be kept together in order to 3 peat and continue winning.

A fans perspective is almost always gonna differ than how a player sees it.

The NFL means Not For Long, and Sneed has no choice but to get his bag.

Sneed wasn't a 1st rd pick with a 1st rd rookie contract making millions. He was a 4th rd pick who played far above his salary. This is probably his only chance to really make some cash while he's in the league. Can't blame the guy it is what it is.

DJ's left nut · 02-28-2024, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Taylor didn't mention how you'd replace the system, and I spitballed a couple ideas in the OP.

The system we have now is, probably, the least worst option. Terez Paylor used to call it the "happy tax" -- when you're a great team in a league founded on parity, you're going to have your coaches poached and you're going to have to let a number of players walk.

It's what the Patriots did for decades.

Pat Riley called it "The Disease of More"

Riley made a decent point in that it can cut both ways. Yes, players want more playing time, more money, more attention, but they also want more winning.

Ultimately his point was that there's never an actual mountaintop. Mitch can say "The Chiefs have reached football's highest summit!" all he wants, but there's not a summit. There's just a peak on the way to the next peak. And on and on the carousel turns.

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-28-2024, 11:31 AM

Let's not. I don't give a **** what he says

suzzer99 · 02-28-2024, 11:32 AM

This is why I've always thought we should pay Sneed (and who knows maybe we will and all this stuff is just posturing). He came in and did everything right from day 1. He's a quiet leader, and he absolutely sets the tone on that secondary, if not the whole defense. What kind of message does it send to other players that we'll let you walk even if you do everything right and blossom into a star?

We weren't a particularly hard-hitting or good-tackling secondary before Sneed. If one guy is shying away from contact, it makes all the other guys that much less inclined to run through a brick wall. But Sneed does the opposite. He makes all of them want to run through brick walls.

Whereas letting Jones go to go somewhere else also sends a message that if you want a giant bag on your 3rd contract, it will probably have to be elsewhere.

The biggest caveat here is if the team knows something about Sneed's knee. Seems like he was always on the injury report. It might be bone on bone at this point. But you'd think other teams' medical staffs could also suss that out, and make their offers accordingly.

vonBobo · 02-28-2024, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

I've enjoyed football way more when I stopped listening to all media regarding football. Its all speculation/sensationalist bullshit

What they are saying makes a lot more sense when you realize why they are saying it.

How long is a show going to last if the host says "good for sneed, good for chiefs, good for the league"? Instead they need a more emotional response from their audience, something for people to argue about and post on message boards.

vonBobo · 02-28-2024, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas

Good point. However, we should also recognize that it is the price of a successful league structure. Major League Baseball is dying because they have concentrated all the power into a couple of cities that can outspend the rest of the league combined. The NFL has a successful salary cap structure that allows all of the teams to compete.

As fans of a Kansas City team, we are most definitely beneficiaries of a salary cap in the league. We may face the problem of losing players because we can't fit them into our salary cap, but the benefits far outweigh the problems here.

The perception of NFL parity is much greater than the reality. Almost half of the league makes the playoffs each season giving fans false hope, but the super bowl will often have repeating teams.
Then the talent of the bottom half of the league compared to the top is a lot further than most people admit. Fans WANT to believe their team is about to turn the corner.

02-28-2024, 08:17 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4383447	Let's talk about the Nate Taylor monologue Nate Taylor, on the most recently episode of ~~Time's Ours~~ Only Weird Games, said that the Sneed dynamic is a punishment for both the Chiefs and Sneed, despite the fact that both parties did everything right. They drafted him, they developed him, they rostered him and played him. He did everything they asked, he had zero off the field concerns, and played for them at an All Pro level. And now, because the marriage between the parties was so successful, he likely has the leave the team and play elsewhere. I was thinking this over. And I agree, this is a less than ideal situation for both teams -- sure Sneed gets paid, and the Chiefs likely get compensation. But the best outcome would have been for Sneed to stay in KC and get paid here. That's just structurally unlikely, however, because of the restriction of the salary cap. I also think that maybe this is the least worst way we can approach the issue. Maybe the league could carve out salary cap exceptions for players that a team drafts. Or maybe even that a team drafts on the third day, to reward both sides for their development and hard work. What are your thoughts on this issue? How might you opt to resolve it?
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02-28-2024, 10:02 AM	#46
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3149627 VARSITY	Summing up...... Everything was done right but the outcome still sucks. I wouldn't want to get rid of the salary cap. Baseball could be saved with one, but they are idiots. If we had a "baseball" type structure in football, Mahomes would have left after his rookie deal. __________________ Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -YODA
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02-28-2024, 10:47 AM	#55
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8052254	Can't pay everybody. That's the downside of being a great team and winning multiple championships. Everyone wants a piece of that pie. Sneed is likely to play elsewhere because the Chiefs probably aren't going to pay what he's worth, unless he's willing to take a discount. Fans think he should so that the band can be kept together in order to 3 peat and continue winning. A fans perspective is almost always gonna differ than how a player sees it. The NFL means Not For Long, and Sneed has no choice but to get his bag. Sneed wasn't a 1st rd pick with a 1st rd rookie contract making millions. He was a 4th rd pick who played far above his salary. This is probably his only chance to really make some cash while he's in the league. Can't blame the guy it is what it is. __________________
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02-28-2024, 11:32 AM	#58
suzzer99 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: L.A. Casino cash: $2974284	This is why I've always thought we should pay Sneed (and who knows maybe we will and all this stuff is just posturing). He came in and did everything right from day 1. He's a quiet leader, and he absolutely sets the tone on that secondary, if not the whole defense. What kind of message does it send to other players that we'll let you walk even if you do everything right and blossom into a star? We weren't a particularly hard-hitting or good-tackling secondary before Sneed. If one guy is shying away from contact, it makes all the other guys that much less inclined to run through a brick wall. But Sneed does the opposite. He makes all of them want to run through brick walls. Whereas letting Jones go to go somewhere else also sends a message that if you want a giant bag on your 3rd contract, it will probably have to be elsewhere. The biggest caveat here is if the team knows something about Sneed's knee. Seems like he was always on the injury report. It might be bone on bone at this point. But you'd think other teams' medical staffs could also suss that out, and make their offers accordingly.
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