Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 108

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

Sassy Squatch · 11-05-2018, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

"Useless sack of shit"? Boy you really are heated aren't you?

Injuries happen, this is football. Joey Bosa has been out for longer than him this season so is he "useless" as well?

Yes. Joey Bosa has been useless for the Chargers this season, just like Berry has been useless for a season and a half now. At least Bosa isn't wrecking the Chargers cap with an albatross of a contract as well.

Chitownchiefsfan · 11-05-2018, 07:02 PM

Did berry say or do something to make people think he is an ass? He had always seemed like a stand up guy with a passion for the game. It sounds like he has had a bad luck of injuries. Haglund deformity sounds really painful.

UChieffyBugger · 11-05-2018, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Yes. Joey Bosa has been useless for the Chargers this season, just like Berry has been useless for a season and a half now. At least Bosa isn't wrecking the Chargers cap with an albatross of a contract as well.

Are you suggesting that Berry didn't deserve his contract? When healthy he's the best at his position, period. Lady luck just hasn't been on his side. No-one would have expected this heel stuff to come up so why are you so bitter?

Sassy Squatch · 11-05-2018, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan

Did berry say or do something to make people think he is an ass? He had always seemed like a stand up guy with a passion for the game. It sounds like he has had a bad luck of injuries. Haglund deformity sounds really painful.

I don't give a shit about how these guys function outside of football. We all cheer for a guy who beat and choked his pregnant girlfriend. At least Hill contributes to the team every week. Berry stands there being useless while Parker gets annihilated.

Marcellus · 11-05-2018, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

I don't give a shit about how these guys function outside of football. We all cheer for a guy who beat and choked his pregnant girlfriend. At least Hill contributes to the team every week. Berry stands there being useless while Parker gets annihilated.

Ah so you believe he is just a pussy with no heart then.

Marcellus · 11-05-2018, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's been taking significant strides forward since AUGUST.

Then he should be about ready.

Chris Meck · 11-05-2018, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan

Did berry say or do something to make people think he is an ass? He had always seemed like a stand up guy with a passion for the game. It sounds like he has had a bad luck of injuries. Haglund deformity sounds really painful.

this is unfortunately where our society is right now. SAD

Sassy Squatch · 11-05-2018, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Ah so you believe he is just a pussy with no heart then.

No, I believe he's a useless football player with a chronic condition that's never going to go away as long as he doesn't get surgery.

UChieffyBugger · 11-05-2018, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

I don't give a shit about how these guys function outside of football. We all cheer for a guy who beat and choked his pregnant girlfriend. At least Hill contributes to the team every week. Berry stands there being useless while Parker gets annihilated.

So he should take the field and potentially injure himself even more just because some random Chiefs fan on the internet is upset? It would be easy to stay at home like Kawhi did at the Spurs last season. But no, Berry is there supporting his teammates because that's the kind of LEADER he is.

TEX · 11-05-2018, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

No, I believe he's a useless football player with a chronic condition that's never going to go away as long as he doesn't get surgery.

That sums it up very well IMO.

htismaqe · 11-05-2018, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

So he should take the field and potentially injure himself even more just because so random Chiefs fan on the internet is upset? It would be easy to stay at him like Kawhi did at the Spurs last season. But no, Berry is there supporting his teammates because that's the kind of LEADER he is.

*** DISCLAIMER ***

I'm not a doctor, nor am I privy to Eric Berry's exact medical situation.

***

Every report we've read so far is that there's no risk of further injury. It's a pain condition and that's really all it is (although it might be severe pain).

Sassy Squatch · 11-05-2018, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

So he should take the field and potentially injure himself even more just because some random Chiefs fan on the internet is upset? It would be easy to stay at him like Kawhi did at the Spurs last season. But no, Berry is there supporting his teammates because that's the kind of LEADER he is.

No, he should retire and give us back some of the money he hasn't earned, but that's not going to happen.

Frazod · 11-05-2018, 07:16 PM

Something just occurred to me - I wonder if Berry is getting pressured/paid off not to play. A healthy Berry in the secondary could make all the difference against the LA teams and in the playoffs.

All he has to do is keep saying that it hurts too bad to play. How could the staff prove otherwise?

Sure hope this isn't the case, but I've grown cynical enough over the years to believe it.

Marcellus · 11-05-2018, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

No, I believe he's a useless football player with a chronic condition that's never going to go away as long as he doesn't get surgery.

In other words you don't really know anything you are just speculating on your own and using that speculation to drive your anger.

I'm as disappointed as any poster here that Berry hasn't played, he is one of my favorite players. It ****ing sucks. But Im not mad about it because thats just stupid.

Hammock Parties · 11-05-2018, 07:19 PM

Another team paying a player not to play.

Not a chance. Especially when money literally means nothing to Berry at this point. He has to be one of the richest non-QB players in the NFL.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1786899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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Frazod WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2885085	Something just occurred to me - I wonder if Berry is getting pressured/paid off not to play. A healthy Berry in the secondary could make all the difference against the LA teams and in the playoffs. All he has to do is keep saying that it hurts too bad to play. How could the staff prove otherwise? Sure hope this isn't the case, but I've grown cynical enough over the years to believe it.
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4470478	Another team paying a player not to play. Not a chance. Especially when money literally means nothing to Berry at this point. He has to be one of the richest non-QB players in the NFL. __________________ Chiefs game films
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