****Official 2017-2018 Missouri Tigers Basketball Thread****

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Back up in your ass with the resurrection. Follow the Cuonzo Martin era here.

Recruiting Commitments:

2017:
Michael Porter Jr., SF, *****, Gatorade National Player of the Year
CJ Roberts, PG, ****
Blake Harris, PG, ***/****
Jeremiah Tilmon, F/C, ****
Kassius Robertson, Grad Transfer
Jontay Porter (possible re-classification from Class of '18), ****

Departures: No one that matters
Returning Players: No one that matters

Overall class ranking: #6 nationally.

[ChiefsCountry]

Zo is a stud. You got a hell of a basketball coach. That St. Louis pipeline will pay off big time. For instance Otto Porter loved Zo. He had Missouri State on his top 5 list.

[duncan_idaho]

I've been so overwhelmingly surprised by Cuonzo Martin. So happy to have been wrong about him and so glad my doubts about him have largely proven unfounded.

I think they'll be in the market for a grad transfer scorer again next year, but with how successful Robertson has been, hopefully they do well there.

Torrance Watson should be able to play a nice role as a freshman next year.

I they bring Tilmon and Jontay Porter back, they'll be set up to do some things inside, especially with Puryear as a solid supporting piece.

Need that help on the wing. Hope Cuonzo is able to sell Ramey on the opportunity to come in and be The Man at G.


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[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

If they bring Tilmon and Jontay Porter back, they'll be set up to do some things inside, especially with Puryear as a solid supporting piece.

I think Tilmon is going to be tough to get back and I think Jontay is almost certain to come back unless he somehow fills out his frame.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

I think Tilmon is going to be tough to get back and I think Jontay is almost certain to come back unless he somehow fills out his frame.

I think Tilmon might come back because he's not anywhere near ready to contribute defensively in the NBA and he doesn't have the outside shot to get into the rotation on an offensive role. He has two issues (shooting and fouls) that can't go together for a young player at that level. He'll never see the floor.

As much as I like him, he has a couple of fairly fatal warts, especially when combined. I think they'll get him for another year so he can iron out his foul issues and become a premier defensive player. That will get him the playing time he needs at the next level to continue to refine his offensive game.

As for Jontay....man, scouts are going to LOVE that kid. His ability to stand his ground against thicker opponents and his innate timing that makes his blocking ability so good will have guys convinced he could play underneath right away, especially with an off-season in an NBA weight program. And his offense...man, that 3 point range and fantastic court vision will have teams drooling over his potential as a true stretch 5.

I think he'll probably come back because I think he needs to develop physically and can still do so while refining his post game to make himself a genuine top 10 pick. But there's a real chance he leaves early because the tools he doesn't have right now are related to nothing but his age. And if an NBA team can get that guy on the roster at 18 years old and thicken him up, they'll absolutely take a gamble on him in the teens/early 20s. That's exactly what a smart team does with picks that late.

[duncan_idaho]

Agree with everything DJ just said re: Tilmon and Porter. I'm more concerned with Jontay leaving than Tilmon.


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[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think Tilmon might come back because he's not anywhere near ready to contribute defensively in the NBA and he doesn't have the outside shot to get into the rotation on an offensive role. He has two issues (shooting and fouls) that can't go together for a young player at that level. He'll never see the floor.

As much as I like him, he has a couple of fairly fatal warts, especially when combined. I think they'll get him for another year so he can iron out his foul issues and become a premier defensive player. That will get him the playing time he needs at the next level to continue to refine his offensive game.

As for Jontay....man, scouts are going to LOVE that kid. His ability to stand his ground against thicker opponents and his innate timing that makes his blocking ability so good will have guys convinced he could play underneath right away, especially with an off-season in an NBA weight program. And his offense...man, that 3 point range and fantastic court vision will have teams drooling over his potential as a true stretch 5.

I think he'll probably come back because I think he needs to develop physically and can still do so while refining his post game to make himself a genuine top 10 pick. But there's a real chance he leaves early because the tools he doesn't have right now are related to nothing but his age. And if an NBA team can get that guy on the roster at 18 years old and thicken him up, they'll absolutely take a gamble on him in the teens/early 20s. That's exactly what a smart team does with picks that late.

I can't imagine Jontay leaves as a mid to late first rounder. He matures for a year and he's lottery.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I can't imagine Jontay leaves as a mid to late first rounder. He matures for a year and he's lottery.

I think that's probably right. But I also think there's a chance that he's in that late lottery area because that's some raw clay with serious intangibles that teams can mold.

Lonzo Ball just went #2 overall based on nothing but length and court vision. He was picked with the belief that his kind of vision just can't be taught and to some extent that's absolutely right.

There aren't many big men that see the floor like Jontay. And fewer still that see it and can shoot from 3 while also being credible defenders underneath.

He could definitely work his way into the lottery during conference play. It wouldn't even take much more than playing time.

I'm not saying it's likely, I'm just saying it's more likely than Tilmon figuring out his foul issues or developing a viable mid-range game in-season. Without one or both of those things happening, he's a late 1st rounder at best and likely 2nd rounder.

He's presently the more dangerous college player, but Jontay has the better NBA skill-set now and in the future, IMO.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Tilmon's a dinosaur in the NBA that is about pace and space. There just isn't much room on the floor for someone with that skillset anymore. If it was 1997, he'd probably go top five based on size and relative athleticism for a true big, but those days are long gone.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Tilmon's a dinosaur in the NBA that is about pace and space. There just isn't much room on the floor for someone with that skillset anymore. If it was 1997, he'd probably go top five based on size and relative athleticism for a true big, but those days are long gone.

He's athletic enough and runs the floor well enough to see an NBA career for him. Needs to skill up, but yeah, in today's NBA he isn't a one and done like he might have been.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I've been so overwhelmingly surprised by Cuonzo Martin. So happy to have been wrong about him and so glad my doubts about him have largely proven unfounded.

I think they'll be in the market for a grad transfer scorer again next year, but with how successful Robertson has been, hopefully they do well there.

Torrance Watson should be able to play a nice role as a freshman next year.

I they bring Tilmon and Jontay Porter back, they'll be set up to do some things inside, especially with Puryear as a solid supporting piece.

Need that help on the wing. Hope Cuonzo is able to sell Ramey on the opportunity to come in and be The Man at G.


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Ramey is a must get.

[Reerun_KC]

How you all doing this year.

[Best22]

Originally Posted by Servant_KC

How you all doing this year.

10-2

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Best22

10-2

Dayum. I don’t keep up with sec b-ball. But well done. You guys a tourney team this year?

[Best22]

Originally Posted by Servant_KC

Dayum. I don’t keep up with sec b-ball. But well done. You guys a tourney team this year?

Good chance. We've played good teams and can compete (tough loss to WVU). Good front court. Biggest problem is not having a legit point guard. Getting Porter back would help hide the PG deficiencies.

I think we have a 55% chance of making the tournament without Porter. NIT atleast is expected (lame as it is, we haven't played in any postseason tournament since 2014!)

Hopefully Porter heals quickly and decides to play in the regular season. I think with a healthy Porter we are 11-1 and looking at atleast 23 wins.

Overall, tough to say before conference play. SEC may have been a little overrated.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by Servant_KC

Dayum. I don’t keep up with sec b-ball. But well done. You guys a tourney team this year?

RPI is very high.