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Old 12-30-2015, 12:48 PM  
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Old 02-01-2016, 11:16 AM   #316
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THIS. Those two idiots could not have cleaned up the blood so perfectly in either of those rooms. Way too many objects and trash. I doubt a professional could have pulled that trick off.
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Old 02-02-2016, 01:53 AM   #319
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This left me thinking there was more evidence from the state's side that was glossed over and the FBI expert was more damning than the documentary made it seem. The defense didn't really have anything to challenge what he said.

Did seem to be some very sketchy stuff from local cops but didn't persuade me that Avery didn't do it. Though the nephew seemed the most unfortunate part whether he was a part of it or not.
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This left me thinking there was more evidence from the state's side that was glossed over and the FBI expert was more damning than the documentary made it seem. The defense didn't really have anything to challenge what he said.
They called their own expert who pretty much said that the results of the test done by the FBI are inconclusive and you cant say whether or not there is EDTA in the blood.

I don't know what the tests entail but when its something that isn't tested for anymore and machines would need to be re-calibrated and the ETA for results was something like 4 months and they came back in 2 weeks sounds pretty sketchy on the validity of the results, imo.
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This left me thinking there was more evidence from the state's side that was glossed over and the FBI expert was more damning than the documentary made it seem. The defense didn't really have anything to challenge what he said.

Did seem to be some very sketchy stuff from local cops but didn't persuade me that Avery didn't do it. Though the nephew seemed the most unfortunate part whether he was a part of it or not.

They shouldn't have to persuade you that he didn't do it. With the presumption of innocence, did they do enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?
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a potential lawsuit from any named alternative suspect is deterrent enough.
At least in Paradise Lost there was evidence to point to other suspects.

In MAM there was nothing really looked at besides him so no evidence is out there to point to anyone else. On top of that you're talking about a cold case of however many years as well...
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At least in Paradise Lost there was evidence to point to other suspects.

In MAM there was nothing really looked at besides him so no evidence is out there to point to anyone else. On top of that you're talking about a cold case of however many years as well...
I don't believe the evidence against Terry Hobbs came out until many years later when they did additional dna testing on everything. The original case had very little physical evidence and what physical evidence there was was misconstrued or twisted by the prosecution. For example, the prosecutor alleged that one or more of the boys had their genital cut off in a satanic ritual when it was clear to forensic scientists that animals chewed them off after they were dead.

The Avery case is fairly similar in the lack of evidence. You have some bones and some blood in the car, but none of that makes any sense in the prosecution's story. The main part that I don't get is that a burn pit would clearly not create enough heat to burn a body down to bone fragments so why the hell would Avery burn her elsewhere and then just dump the bones basically in the open 20 feet from his house. The guy is basically a reerun but if he is smart enough to clean every millimeter of the garage, it doesn't follow that he would be that stupid with her remains.
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What was the substance? tl;dw
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Basically they saw him around the time of the murders at a gas station...or at least that's what they hinted.
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Basically they saw him around the time of the murders at a gas station...or at least that's what they hinted.
On screen at 1:29, screen says they don't remember the time, just that it was after dark. The appointment at Avery's home was at like 2 p.m., seen around 3 p.m. Leaves a lot of time for him to kill her, then go get gas. Don't think them seeing him after dark proves anything at all.
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On screen at 1:29, screen says they don't remember the time, just that it was after dark. The appointment at Avery's home was at like 2 p.m., seen around 3 p.m. Leaves a lot of time for him to kill her, then go get gas. Don't think them seeing him after dark proves anything at all.
If it's true, it does create some interesting additions to the timeline. We already know that he was in his house at around 5 pm and around 9 pm to receive the jail calls from Jodie. Going to the gas station creates another break in the action between 5 and 9. So if he did it, he took three separate breaks from his Dexter-like crime concealment escapade to go talk on the phone and get gas. Doesn't prove anything on its own but definitely introduces yet more doubt.
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They shouldn't have to persuade you that he didn't do it. With the presumption of innocence, did they do enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?
Completely agree but we didn't see all of the evidence either and jury that convicted him did.
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