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duncan_idaho · 09:07 PM

The reign is over. Time to begin the quest for the next one.

Interesting offseason opens for the Royals. Will they go all in for one last shot with this crew? Will they re-tool for 2018 and beyond? Will Dayton Moore actually decrease payroll this time?

Trades, free agent signings, rumors, plans, proposals... dump 'em all here, for this is... the offseason repository!

Royals Top Prospects, 2017

This is a list that’s going to seem a little bleak initially, as Raul Mondesi got enough ABs to age out of the prospect rankings (just barely – at 135 ABs, he is not rookie eligible). But that said, I like the talent and feel like this is a system that will actually be underrated by the prospect services.

Spoiler!

Lex Luthor · 12-13-2016, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I think history is going to show DM sold him off at the right time and brought in a legitimate regular in return. He's going to win this trade IMO

Completely agree. I love this trade.

KChiefs1 · 12-13-2016, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

To keep L-R balance, you'd hAve to shuffle... but you could go Gordon-Soler-Hosmer-Cain-Moustakas-Perez and then let the speed guys at the bottom of he lineup try to manufacture things when they're on (Merrifield, Escobar, Dyson).

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1. Gordon(L) - LF
2. Soler(R) - RF
3. Hosmer(L) - 1B
4. Cain(R) - CF
5. Moose(L) - 3B
6. Perez(R) - C
7. DH
8. Merrifield(R) - 2B
9. Escobar(R) - SS

Looking at this lineup makes me wish they had signed Holliday or Beltran because that could be a formidable lineup with a good DH.

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Prison Bitch · 12-13-2016, 09:37 AM

I'd bet anything a Paulo Orlando/Brandon Moss platoon would outdo Beltran or Holliday

DJ's left nut · 12-13-2016, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I'd bet anything a Paulo Orlando/Brandon Moss platoon would outdo Beltran or Holliday

Beltran and Holliday are much MUCH better pure hitters than Brandon Moss.

Moss is the definition of an all or nothing hitter. He hits everything in the air so his BABIP will always suck and his contact rates are absymal so his BA will always suck on top of it. Now, there are periods of time where he can be a very dangerous hitter but not in the 'guy gets hot and kills everything' sort of way.

When Moss is 'hot', he just doesn't miss mistake pitches. You still have to actually throw him a mistake, but at least when he's dialed in, he actually hits it. It still means that even a hot Brandon Moss gets carved up by quality pitching (which is usually enough to put him back in a funk). Holliday and Beltran, OTOH, can hit ANYBODY'S pitch when they're hot. Holliday will probably have a hole above his hands for the rest of his career because he's just gotten a little bit old and his swing has never been particularly short, but a lot of guys have a hole above their hands and pitchers are afraid to challenge them there because if they miss by three inches, the ball gets yanked 400 feet. Beltran has preternaturally quick wrists; the kind you see in a handful of players each decade. I'd sell my soul to have Carlos Beltran's swing (from the left side; his swing from the right is a bit disjointed) and because of that swing, he can still hit quality pitching.

I absolutely hated Brandon Moss. BM, as I affectionately referred to our very own little trade-deadline bowel movement, could be counted on to do absolutely nothing for a 2 month period of time pretty much every season. He couldn't field any position credibly and if you needed someone to take a quality AB in a late game situation...well you should probably look elsewhere because it wouldn't be Brandon Moss.

He's a garbage time player; the living embodiment of the empty-offense slugger. He'd be worth a 1 yr, $7 million deal because I'm pretty sure ball boys get $3 million if they hit the market these days, but beyond that, I'm not convinced he's even worth a roster spot. I'm positive there are dozens of 'organizational' minor league veterans that teams see as AAA filler who would outperform Brandon Moss. He's ****ing awful.

Chiefspants · 12-13-2016, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Beltran and Holliday are much MUCH better pure hitters than Brandon Moss.

Moss is the definition of an all or nothing hitter. He hits everything in the air so his BABIP will always suck and his contact rates are absymal so his BA will always suck on top of it. Now, there are periods of time where he can be a very dangerous hitter but not in the 'guy gets hot and kills everything' sort of way.

When Moss is 'hot', he just doesn't miss mistake pitches. You still have to actually throw him a mistake, but at least when he's dialed in, he actually hits it. It still means that even a hot Brandon Moss gets carved up by quality pitching (which is usually enough to put him back in a funk). Holliday and Beltran, OTOH, can hit ANYBODY'S pitch when they're hot. Holliday will probably have a hole above his hands for the rest of his career because he's just gotten a little bit old and his swing has never been particularly short, but a lot of guys have a hole above their hands and pitchers are afraid to challenge them there because if they miss by three inches, the ball gets yanked 400 feet. Beltran has preternaturally quick wrists; the kind you see in a handful of players each decade. I'd sell my soul to have Carlos Beltran's swing (from the left side; his swing from the right is a bit disjointed) and because of that swing, he can still hit quality pitching.

I absolutely hated Brandon Moss. BM, as I affectionately referred to our very own little trade-deadline bowel movement, could be counted on to do absolutely nothing for a 2 month period of time pretty much every season. He couldn't field any position credibly and if you needed someone to take a quality AB in a late game situation...well you should probably look elsewhere because it wouldn't be Brandon Moss.

He's a garbage time player; the living embodiment of the empty-offense slugger. He'd be worth a 1 yr, $7 million deal because I'm pretty sure ball boys get $3 million if they hit the market these days, but beyond that, I'm not convinced he's even worth a roster spot. I'm positive there are dozens of 'organizational' minor league veterans that teams see as AAA filler who would outperform Brandon Moss. He's ****ing awful.

Royals fans have scarred memories of him almost singlehandedly roasting us in the 2014 WC game.

Prison Bitch · 12-13-2016, 09:57 AM

Cmon bro, he's a 105 wRC+ hitter last year. That's close to Kendrys 109, and would've been 2nd on our team. (We don't hit for shit). Before that it was 93, 123, 137, 160. That's substantial.

Will he suck next year? Possibly. His career looks a lot like Rob Deer. So give him the same 350 AB vs RH you did, when he hit 25 bombs vs them.

What did Holliday or Beltran do better than him? Hit singles? K a bit less? They sures hell don't run or field any better or hit the long ball. And chicks DIG the long ball

DJ's left nut · 12-13-2016, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Cmon bro, he's a 105 wRC+ hitter last year. That's close to Kendrys 109, and would've been 2nd on our team. (We don't hit for shit). Before that it was 93, 123, 137, 160. That's substantial.

Will he suck next year? Possibly. His career looks a lot like Rob Deer. So give him the same 350 AB vs RH you did, when he hit 25 bombs vs them.

What did Holliday or Beltran do better than him? Hit singles? K a bit less? They sures hell don't run or field any better or hit the long ball. And chicks DIG the long ball

Take quality ABs against good pitching. That's still the thing that most of our metrics do a poor job of accounting for that you can only get a feel for by watching someone play. Brandon Moss may have ended up with some tolerable numbers but he got them by wrecking bad pitching and flailing against anything quality.

If you want him to fill in some mid-season innings and hit some bombs that don't matter - have at it. But the guy's a shit hitter. He's one of those fat assholes in slow pitch softball that stands behind the back line of the box, takes a full stride as the ball is being released and swings as hard as he goddamn can just in case he hits it. He has no real approach other than "well if I swing really hard a lot, maybe some guys will walk me and other guys will throw it directly into my swing path".

When the Cardinals desperately needed Brandon Moss in September during the midst of their last-gasp playoff push - hit hit .099. I shit you not - the ****ing guy couldn't manage a 100 batting average in September last year. His OPS+ for the month was SIX. ****ing six.

You will hate Brandon Moss. Oh you can attempt to talk yourself into him all you want but I'm telling you right now - you will ****ing loathe that clown. He's Adam Dunn if you gouged one of Dunn's eyes out. He's among the most flawed players in the entire game right now.

Prison Bitch · 12-13-2016, 10:37 AM

Have you seen our offense DJ?

ChiefsCountry · 12-13-2016, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Take quality ABs against good pitching. That's still the thing that most of our metrics do a poor job of accounting for that you can only get a feel for by watching someone play. Brandon Moss may have ended up with some tolerable numbers but he got them by wrecking bad pitching and flailing against anything quality.

If you want him to fill in some mid-season innings and hit some bombs that don't matter - have at it. But the guy's a shit hitter. He's one of those fat assholes in slow pitch softball that stands behind the back line of the box, takes a full stride as the ball is being released and swings as hard as he goddamn can just in case he hits it. He has no real approach other than "well if I swing really hard a lot, maybe some guys will walk me and other guys will throw it directly into my swing path".

When the Cardinals desperately needed Brandon Moss in September during the midst of their last-gasp playoff push - hit hit .099. I shit you not - the ****ing guy couldn't manage a 100 batting average in September last year. His OPS+ for the month was SIX. ****ing six.

You will hate Brandon Moss. Oh you can attempt to talk yourself into him all you want but I'm telling you right now - you will ****ing loathe that clown. He's Adam Dunn if you gouged one of Dunn's eyes out. He's among the most flawed players in the entire game right now.

Moss is a player where the numbers don't add up to the production. That's where the eye test comes in.

DJ's left nut · 12-13-2016, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Have you seen our offense DJ?

I know you win with your defense.

And with Morales and Hosmer, you have nowhere to hide Brandon Moss's glove.

You'll give back anything you get offensively (via hollow bombs) through defensive misplays.

You don't want the guy on your club, especially not if you have to play him in the OF.

ChiefsCountry · 12-13-2016, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And with Morales and Hosmer, you have nowhere to hide Brandon Moss's glove.

Morales is now in Toronto. We do have a DH spot to fill sort of.

DJ's left nut · 12-13-2016, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Morales is now in Toronto. We do have a DH spot to fill sort of.

Fair 'nuff.

He might be an adequate DH replacement but only on a part-time basis. They'd have to monitor how they use him very closely.

Sure-Oz · 12-13-2016, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I'd bet anything a Paulo Orlando/Brandon Moss platoon would outdo Beltran or Holliday

Moss is a FA?

ChiefsCountry · 12-13-2016, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Fair 'nuff.

He might be an adequate DH replacement but only on a part-time basis. They'd have to monitor how they use him very closely.

I don't want him. I saw enough of him in St. Louis. Even though he did homer in both games I saw him in person at. And he did a monster shot against the Royals. But no, don't want Moss at all.

ChiefsCountry · 12-13-2016, 11:15 AM

And just think the Cardinals gave up a similar prospect to the Indians for Moss to what the Royals gave up for Zobrist.

11-03-2016, 09:11 PM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1760308	* Official 2017 Royals Offseason Repository * The reign is over. Time to begin the quest for the next one. Interesting offseason opens for the Royals. Will they go all in for one last shot with this crew? Will they re-tool for 2018 and beyond? Will Dayton Moore actually decrease payroll this time? Trades, free agent signings, rumors, plans, proposals... dump 'em all here, for this is... the offseason repository! Royals Top Prospects, 2017 This is a list that’s going to seem a little bleak initially, as Raul Mondesi got enough ABs to age out of the prospect rankings (just barely – at 135 ABs, he is not rookie eligible). But that said, I like the talent and feel like this is a system that will actually be underrated by the prospect services. Spoiler! Format: POS/Name/2017 Projected Final Level 1) 3B/OF Hunter Dozier, MLB. Dozier bounced back from a disastrous 2015 campaign that had many wondering, myself included, if he was wrecked. His strong offensive performance in 2016 saw Dozier recapture the mature approach that many liked coming up, while also starting to tap into his above-average raw power for the first time. In addition to his success at the plate, Dozier also proved he could at least HANDLE an OF spot, which could put him in the conversation for 2017 playing time at the major leagues. If the Royals DO end up trading Cheslor Cuthbert, Dozier could find a decent amount of MLB playing time sliding between RF and 3B. With Moustakas recovering from knee surgery, he likely will need more regular breaks from the field. And the streaky Paulo Orlando is just not an intriguing short-side platoon partner for Jarrod Dyson. 2) LHP Matt Strahm, MLB. Strahm just barely skates under the rookie eligibility rules for a pitcher, so he can be included here. Royals fans already got a taste of the lefty’s abilities, as he used his above-average fastball and slurve to dominate out of the pen in 2016. For him to translate that dominance to the rotation, Strahm will need to maintain his velocity (92-94) and continue to improve a changeup that flashed average at times. If the changeup becomes a weapon he can lean on against righties, Strahm could be a very solid mid-rotation starter and fringe ToR/No. 2 type (think Danny Duffy-lite). 3) RHP Josh Staumont, AAA. This one could blow up on me and look really silly by this time next year, but I’m encouraged by what we saw from Staumont late last year. He showed significantly improved control down the stretch for Northwest Arkansas, including some impressive playoff starts, while maintaining the big-time K ability. That trend continued in the Arizona Fall League. If Staumont’s control holds, the Royals have a guy with a plus fastball, plus-plus curve, and average change (with a slider that could develop into a real weapon as he matures). He’ll start next season at AAA and could be an addition to the MLB bullpen or even the rotation before the season ends. 4) RF Jorge Bonifacio, AAA. Boni, like Dozier, had a bounceback season in 2016 with the bat, and also played 15-20 pounds lighter than the year before, which added some nice defensive utility according to reports I’ve gotten. He now looks like a guy could provide solid/average RF production in the major leagues… Average defense paired with potential to put up a .275/.335/.450 line. While that’s not all-star level, it IS playable. Especially at pre-arbitration dollars. He’ll get another year in Omaha to refine his approach, and likely be in the mix of a 2018 mini-youth movement… unless moved for MLB reinforcements. 5) C Meibrys Viloria, Low-A (Lexington). I haven’t seen him in person, but I like the pedigree. You’ve got a lefthanded hitting catcher with the defensive ability to stick behind the plate. He was a big-bonus guy out of Colombia (nearly $500k). And his offensive performance has been highly impressive early, with a good combination of power, plate discipline, and contact skills. He’s forever away from the majors, just now clearing rookie ball, but Viloria is the most exciting prospect KC has had at Idaho Falls since someone on this board was gushing about a 16-year-old SS tearing it up. 6) 1B Ryan O’Hearn, AAA. O’Hearn is a guy who has never gotten a lot of hype from scouts, but he continues to be a strong producer. He’s someone who likely will strikeout about 25 percent of the time at the big-league level, but has the ability to be a .500+ SLG guy. That plays. He also has shown good patience at the plate, posting above-average OBPs at every level. Bold prediction: I won’t be shocked if O’Hearn takes over at 1B for KC in 2018/2019 and provides similar offensive production to Hosmer out of the gate. He’s probably never going to be a consistent plus average (.290+) hitter, but .270 with 25 HR is something within reach for him. He’ll get his first shot at AAA in 2017. 7) RHP AJ Puckett, A+. Puckett is a high floor, low-ceiling guy who performed about as you’d expect in 2016 after being the Royals’ first pick in the 2016 Rule IV Draft. He’s not flashy, but Puckett does profile as a solid potential back-end starter. Good fastball command and an above-average changeup are his calling cards. If Puckett finds a reliable breaking ball to put batters away, this could tick up. Great athlete, very similar to Jake Odorizzi in that regard. 8) RF Khalil Lee, Low-A (Lexington). Lee was a two-way player in HS and many viewed him as a pitcher first as a pro, but the Royals drafted him as an OF and were reward with a strong debut campaign. Lee is not a big guy, but he produced solid power numbers despite that. He’s a dynamic athlete who could contribute with power and speed. 9) C Chase Vallot, High-A (Wilmington). Vallot has an intriguing bat, with plus raw power. Got off to a great start in 16 before being sidelined and then sidetracked by injury. RH bat may be good enough to push him out from behind the plate, where he has good tools but a long way to go. 10) RHP Jake Junis and RHP Alec Mills (AAA). I'm copping out here and including both at No. 10 because they're so similar. Like Puckett, they each project as a serviceable back of rotation starter. Similar stuff and profiles, though Junis has shown a little better strikeout ability and may have a smidge more upside as a result. Others of note: SS/CF Marten Gasparini. Production has been bad for this toolsy player, but Gasparini has speed and pop that jump out at you. At only 19, need to be patient with him... this European signee was even less polished when signing at 16 than the typical Latin America prospect. OF Seuly Matias. Loud, loud tools. Matias profiles as a classic RF... big-time power potential. He's a long ways from the majors but is one of the Royals' biggest bonus babies from LA. RHP Ashe Russell. 2014 1st rounder saw his velocity disappear last year and was quickly shut down. He's intriguing one way or the other, even if he ends up as another notch in the belt of the TINSTAAPP saying. 2B Corey Toups. O'Hearn's HS teammate has been an above-average producer for an up-the-middle player. His small stature hides a surprising amount of pop. Could turn into a Mark Grudzielanek type of offensive second baseman at his peak - solid average, lots of 2Bs. RHP Scott Blewett, LHP Foster Griffin, RHP Nolan Watson - all three have underwhelmed as pros but were drafted in the supplemental round. Stuff and projectability for each is a positive. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of them take a Cody Reed-like step forward this season and crack the 50-75 range on prospect lists. They all have the natural ability. SS/2B Ricky Aracena - Jose Altuve-sized Aracena is a switch hitting middle infielder who can flat out run. Switch hitter with a good approach. RHP Pedro Fernandez - I'm still a believer in his stuff, even if he is destined for the pen. Was having a nice 2016 start until injuries derailed him right after his promotion to AA. Sirs not Appearing in this Prospect List: RHP Kyle Zimmer. Same story, different year. The Royals are hopeful they FINALLY found the cause of Zimmer's achy shoulder. If they really did, and he can stay healthy, the talent/potential is exciting. OF Bubba Starling. Never trust a guy named Derek. Last edited by duncan_idaho; 02-22-2017 at 09:07 PM..
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Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	I'd bet anything a Paulo Orlando/Brandon Moss platoon would outdo Beltran or Holliday
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Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	Cmon bro, he's a 105 wRC+ hitter last year. That's close to Kendrys 109, and would've been 2nd on our team. (We don't hit for shit). Before that it was 93, 123, 137, 160. That's substantial. Will he suck next year? Possibly. His career looks a lot like Rob Deer. So give him the same 350 AB vs RH you did, when he hit 25 bombs vs them. What did Holliday or Beltran do better than him? Hit singles? K a bit less? They sures hell don't run or field any better or hit the long ball. And chicks DIG the long ball
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