Alex Smith Traded to Chiefs

[Deberg_1990]

Well, it looks like the deal is done.



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Jay Glazer @JayGlazer
49ers have completed a trade with the Chiefs for Alex Smith, tho can't be official til March 12. Chiefs really made a commitment to Smith


Jay Glazer @JayGlazer
Deal has been agreed upon between Chiefs and 49ers. Compensation unclear but I'm told again Chiefs have made a clear commitment to Smith.

[Wildcat2005]

Saying Alex Smith was the best qb available without context does not mean very much

The question isnt "was Alex the best available", the question is "was the gap between Alex and someone like Matt Moore, Carson Palmer, or Jason Campbell worth 2 second rounders"

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, I agree.

But to "just try" on a guy they don't like, just to try, isn't something I want my team to do.

This regime has showed in the past that they'll "try" when they see a prospect the believe in.

As much as we all wanted it to be true, I think it's becoming more and more obvious that this years class was just as bad as everyone said it was, and as DJ stated, we potentially got the most talented guy available who needs as much work as any of the others

You had me until you brought up Tyler Bray. It's kind of pathetic that Chiefs fans are reduced to looking at an UDFA as any sort of potential hope for a QBotF.

I've got about as good a chance at being hit by lightning when I walk outside to my car in a few minutes as an UDFA has of being a star QB in the NFL.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Wildcat2005

Saying Alex Smith was the best qb available without context does not mean very much

The question isnt "was Alex the best available", the question is "was the gap between Alex and someone like Matt Moore, Carson Palmer, or Jason Campbell worth 2 second rounders"

What is your answer to that?

Of course he is. Matt Moore has shown nothing but inconsistent play, more bad than good, Carson Palmer is nothing more than a complainer and doesn't do well in losing situations.

And Jason Campbell despite knowing the offense, and being supported by the front office as they hate Brandon Weeden, couldn't beat him out.

The gap is absolutely huge given what Andy Reid wants from his qb.

he wants a mobile guy, something that Moore, and Palmer aren't, he wants an accurate guy which Campbell has not shown.

People can slice it anyway they want. Alex Smith is heads and shoulders above them when you factor in everything.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, I agree.

But to "just try" on a guy they don't like, just to try, isn't something I want my team to do.

This regime has showed in the past that they'll "try" when they see a prospect the believe in.

As much as we all wanted it to be true, I think it's becoming more and more obvious that this years class was just as bad as everyone said it was, and as DJ stated, we potentially got the most talented guy available who needs as much work as any of the others

And that's the wrong attitude to take. Entirely.

The Chiefs never drafted a real prospect (unless you count Brodie Croyle) in 30 years because every time a guy that showed up at our spot in the draft, we said, "We've got other needs, we already have Veteran A and Shitty Prospect B, he's not worth the draft position we're at, oh **** it, just forget it.

Trying just to try is EXACTLY how the Ravens ended up with Flacco. It's how the Dolphins got Tannehill.

RARELY does a situation come along where taking the QB is so goddamned obvious to a team that people would lose their jobs if they DIDN'T draft him. That's what the Chiefs have been expecting for 30 years, that "the right" QB will just show up in the draft. Magically.

So they say stuff like, "It'd be great to draft our own franchise QB, but it's dumb to try taking a QB just 'to try.' If we're gonna do it just to try doing it, we may as well be taking a K in the first round just to try it out and see if it works."

And THAT'S dumb.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by SNR

And that's the wrong attitude to take. Entirely.

The Chiefs never drafted a real prospect (unless you count Brodie Croyle) in 30 years because every time a guy that showed up at our spot in the draft, we said, "We've got other needs, we already have Veteran A and Shitty Prospect B, he's not worth the draft position we're at, oh **** it, just forget it.

Trying just to try is EXACTLY how the Ravens ended up with Flacco. It's how the Dolphins got Tannehill.

RARELY does a situation come along where taking the QB is so goddamned obvious to a team that people would lose their jobs if they DIDN'T draft him. That's what the Chiefs have been expecting for 30 years, that "the right" QB will just show up in the draft. Magically.

So they say stuff like, "It'd be great to draft our own franchise QB, but it's dumb to try taking a QB just 'to try.' If we're gonna do it just to try doing it, we may as well be taking a K in the first round just to try it out and see if it works."

And THAT'S dumb.

So you would try, just to try, on a any qb?

Had they taken Barkley at 1.1, that's ok?

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I find it hilarious how seriously you take this argument and how angry you're getting.

Rage on, cupcake.

Here's the thing, it is indisputable that the Chiefs' hardcore fanbase is a battered lot.

It is also indisputable that the Chiefs have made radical and extensive changes in their view of what it takes to get better and compete for a championship.

Some are glad to have tangible reasons for optimism. Others are determined to extinguish all optimism because some changes look too much like past changes.

SDH and Claythan are like a cadre of Juden in the camps running around yelling at everyone 'I know you're starving, and I know you're being worked to death, but the showers are furnaces so get ready for more pain!! Suckers!!'

Time may bear them out, but some people aren't in the mood for such talk at this juncture.

Some want to hold out hope some of these new guys on the Chiefs are American GIs.

[O.city]

And the ravens didnt try just to try with flacco. They legitimately liked him as a potential franchise qb.

If our front office didnt think that about a guy, would you like tem to draft him anyway?

[the Talking Can]

it's the same old ****ing excuses

people just want to pretend they have some principled reason for defending 30 years of failed dependence on backups and vet QBs....

because the truth is, "oh no, it risky!" is all anyone is ever saying and it isn't high minded or pragmatic, it's just ****ing stupid

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by O.city

So you would try, just to try, on a any qb?

Had they taken Barkley at 1.1, that's ok?

Well, I would have taken Geno Smith. And I would have traded down for peanuts, because **** Eric Fisher in the ass as the best player in the draft. He's NOT the best player in the draft. He's just not. That's ****ing false. And bullshit.

But yes, I would have at some point TRIED to draft a QB in 2013. Yep. Probably with the new first rounder I traded down with.

And hey, if I don't like the QB value at THAT spot, then I trade down again. Get some more picks. Use those picks to make our team stronger. Even get an offensive lineman with one of them. ****, draft TEN offensive linemen. I don't ****ing care.

But yes. I'm going to try to find a good QB. I've already got Alex Smith, so it's not like there's any pressure to make this work out.

I'm (and here's that word again) TRYING to get my team in a position where it can enjoy long-term success no matter what happens to the surrounding roster due to injuries or cap troubles.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by SNR

Trying just to try is EXACTLY how the Ravens ended up with Flacco. It's how the Dolphins got Tannehill.

Exactly.

In my ideal scenario, I'd like to see the Chiefs try something like Washington (if they have the right picks and the right prospects are there), where the Redskins took RG3, and as insurance they added another Qb with decent upside in Cousins. They did this all in one draft, and looking at their personnel now you could say they are pretty deep at Qb. I know RG3's don't come along often, but stud Qb's are invariably in every draft. The Chiefs just have to sack up and select some Qb's and develop them.

Somebody asked me what I would do if I were Dorsey, and this is the scenario I'd plan for.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You had me until you brought up Tyler Bray. It's kind of pathetic that Chiefs fans are reduced to looking at an UDFA as any sort of potential hope for a QBotF.

I've got about as good a chance at being hit by lightning when I walk outside to my car in a few minutes as an UDFA has of being a star QB in the NFL.

Stop with the UDFA shit, Bray was on people's radar as talented, but unstable.

A Bray that pays off has a higher ceiling than the rest of the 2013 class, it's just that the odds are longer.

Your argument is like saying 'It's kind of pathetic that Chiefs fans are reduced to looking to draw a straight on The River, rather than collecting two pair like normal Hold-Em Players.' Well, the draft ended, and we had 10 J Q K suited and the A has not been dealt.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by SNR

Well, I would have taken Geno Smith. And I would have traded down for peanuts, because **** Eric Fisher in the ass as the best player in the draft. He's NOT the best player in the draft. He's just not. That's ****ing false. And bullshit.

But yes, I would have at some point TRIED to draft a QB in 2013. Yep. Probably with the new first rounder I traded down with.

And hey, if I don't like the QB value at THAT spot, then I trade down again. Get some more picks. Use those picks to make our team stronger. Even get an offensive lineman with one of them. ****, draft TEN offensive linemen. I don't ****ing care.

But yes. I'm going to try to find a good QB. I've already got Alex Smith, so it's not like there's any pressure to make this work out.

I'm (and here's that word again) TRYING to get my team in a position where it can enjoy long-term success no matter what happens to the surrounding roster due to injuries or cap troubles.

Ok then.

So why can't they do that next year in the draft, if they like a qb better?

[the Talking Can]

the ravens drafted Boller, then bounced right back and drafted a guy from ****ing Delaware.....

we've spent 30 years listening to fans complain about QBs being risky


but hey we've avoided so much risk over the decades, we get a "Least Risk" ribbon every year from the nfl...

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Stop with the UDFA shit, Bray was on people's radar as talented, but unstable.

A Bray that pays off has a higher ceiling than the rest of the 2013 class, it's just that the odds are longer.

Your argument is like saying 'It's kind of pathetic that Chiefs fans are reduced to looking to draw a straight on The River, rather than collecting two pair like normal Hold-Em Players.' Well, the draft ended, and we had 10 J Q K suited and the A has not been dealt.

The question is with AS, will Bray even get the time of day to develop correctly? Guys need to have NFL starts to really develop and get their confidence up; Aaron Rodgers sat out a couple years, but he was assured by being a #1 draft pick and the age of Favre that his day would come to be the starter. Bray does not have these assurances. I believe he has some serious upside, but he may just never get the light of day with our other stabled Qb's.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by O.city

And the ravens didnt try just to try with flacco. They legitimately liked him as a potential franchise qb.

If our front office didnt think that about a guy, would you like tem to draft him anyway?

Bullshit.

The Ravens liked Flacco as a prospect, sure. I can buy that. The Chiefs apparently liked Geno Smith according to The Bad Guy's source.

But you're telling me they thought drafting a 1-AA QB who couldn't beat out Tyler Palko in college was smart drafting? That Flacco really was the best player available on their big board? That they said, "Hot dog, we'd mud wrestle our own grandmothers for a franchise QB right now, and lookee here. We got the perfect guy of our dreams right here! Yeehaw!"

Bullshit. Bull ****ing shit. The team was in a QB quandry, their offense sucked balls, and they knew they couldn't keep winning with defense alone. Chris Redman failed. Kyle Boller failed. They said, "We've gotta fix this problem. I know we whiffed on those other QBs, but we gotta keep trying. Somehow, we need a real ****ing QB at the head of this team. So let's pull the trigger on Flacco, I guess. Yeah, he's pretty rough for a 1st round pick, but he probably won't be available later. Can't risk it. We need him NOW, so we'll have an experienced guy in the future."

They took a shot. They TRIED. Because they needed a QB. And it paid off.

When we're that desperate for QBs, our balls shrink in so far they shoot out our assholes. We get conservative and go into a shell when we need to stay strong and make bold moves. We trade for Alex Smiths. That's what we do.

Hope it works out.