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Old 07-08-2017, 07:21 AM   #1
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Andy Reid is FAR more important than any GM, including Dorsey
Disagree.

Reid is going to need pro bowl calibre talent, along with talent, leadership, intelligence and balls at the QB position, to overcome his shortcomings as a game and clock manager.
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Old 07-08-2017, 12:36 PM   #2
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Disagree.

Reid is going to need pro bowl calibre talent, along with talent, leadership, intelligence and balls at the QB position, to overcome his shortcomings as a game and clock manager.
Disagree agree all you'd like but Andy Reid is the one of the best and most successful head coaches in NFL history.

John Dorsey is a blip on the NFL's radar.
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Old 07-08-2017, 03:27 PM   #3
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Disagree agree all you'd like but Andy Reid is the one of the best and most successful head coaches in NFL history.

John Dorsey is a blip on the NFL's radar.
The most successful head coaches in NFL history won championships.
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The most successful head coaches in NFL history won championships.
His career isn't over
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The most successful head coaches in NFL history won championships.
And they also had Hall of Fame QB's
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And they also had Hall of Fame QB's
It's a catch 22.

If you are something more than mediocre as a QB, you are nearly a shoe-in to get elected.

John Hadl was a better QB than Joe Namath, but Joe Wiilie is in while Hadl is on the outside looking in.

On the other hand Jon Gruden won a SB with Brad Johnson, and Brian Billick won one with Brad Dilfer, while Andy failed with a hell of a defense with one of the best DCs ever, and Donavan McNabb at QB, who is a damn sight better than either of those scrubs.

Joe Gibbs won with 3 different QBs, none of whom will ever sniff the Hall, and Tom Flores won with Jim Plunkett.

Andy Reid's failure to win has more to do with his inability to manage the game and the clock than who he had at QB.

Had he overcome his own shortcomings, McNabb is likely a HoFer.
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It's a catch 22.

If you are something more than mediocre as a QB, you are nearly a shoe-in to get elected.
So Drew Bledsoe, Trent Green, Matt Ryan, Matt Hasselbeck, Ken O'Brien, Vinnie Testaverde, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Kerry Collins and Tony Romo are HOF candidates?

At this point in time, I'd have to disagree.
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So Drew Bledsoe, Trent Green, Matt Ryan, Matt Hasselbeck, Ken O'Brien, Vinnie Testaverde, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Kerry Collins and Tony Romo are HOF candidates?

At this point in time, I'd have to disagree.
I am pretty sure you had to know I was talking about QBs that won SBs.

Eli Manning, however, is almost certainly a shoe in.
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