Andy, Veach and Donovan get extended

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by ThrobProng

God Florio is such a douche. Sorry if Q:

nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/chiefs-finally-take-care-of-andy-reid

Somehing was wrong with this picture.

Chiefs coach Andy Reid, one of the greatest to ever do it, was making only $12.5 million per year. Roughly half of what Bill Belichick was believed to be making in New England.

It needed to change. It finally has changed. And while it shouldn’t have taken that long for the Chiefs to take care of Reid, better late than never.

Along the way, the Chiefs were indeed preparing for the possibility that Reid would retire after the 2023 season. The fact that he didn’t doesn’t change the fact that the Chiefs were preparing for the possibility. (Even though plenty of Chiefs fans believe that, by not retiring, Reid absolutely never considered it and the Chiefs absolutely never anticipated the possibility.)

Here’s where I’ll pull back the curtain, a little bit, on how the sausage gets stuffed. If/when I’m barking up the wrong tree on something, I’ll inevitably hear about it — from someone with the team, someone associated with the person (if not the person himself), or an intermediary who has been assigned the task of setting me straight. Not once did I hear a peep from the Chiefs or Reid or anyone connected to them that the Chiefs weren’t or shouldn’t be preparing for the possibility that Reid would retire.

Publicly, everyone said what they had to say. Privately, the Chiefs were indeed preparing for the possibility that Reid would retire.

Without a major raise, maybe he would have. Maybe he (or his agent) suggested retirement as an option without a new deal. Maybe it would have been an option. Why keep doing the job for 50 percent of what Belichick was getting?

There’s no salary cap for coaches. Reid could have, in theory, pulled a Sean Payton, taking a year off and then naming his price for, say, the Bills.

The move helped Payton get to, reportedly, $20 million per year. Whatever happened behind the scenes got Reid what he deserves. If, along the way, he had to make the Chiefs consider their options for life without Reid in order to make it happen, so be it.

Because it worked.

Or, you know, just admit you were wrong/lying.

I'm sure Reid was like, "Yeah, Pat's in his prime, this would be the perfect time to retire."

FFS.

[BigRedChief]

As Chiefs GM, Brett Veach has made 41 draft picks.

Of those 41 picks:

34 are still on an NFL roster.
24 are still on the Chiefs roster.
15 are starters for the Chiefs.
14 were drafted after the 2nd round.
All 4 of his 1st round picks are still on the Chiefs roster. pic.twitter.com/xR01CwBFWu

— 🗣🎙‼️ (@LanceTHESPOKEN) April 19, 2024

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

As Chiefs GM, Brett Veach has made 41 draft picks.

Of those 41 picks:

34 are still on an NFL roster.
24 are still on the Chiefs roster.
15 are starters for the Chiefs.
14 were drafted after the 2nd round.
All 4 of his 1st round picks are still on the Chiefs roster. pic.twitter.com/xR01CwBFWu

— (@LanceTHESPOKEN) April 19, 2024

Yeah but he missed on T Boone Pickens! Bring back Dorsey!!!!!!

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

As Chiefs GM, Brett Veach has made 41 draft picks.

Of those 41 picks:

34 are still on an NFL roster.
24 are still on the Chiefs roster.
15 are starters for the Chiefs.
14 were drafted after the 2nd round.
All 4 of his 1st round picks are still on the Chiefs roster. pic.twitter.com/xR01CwBFWu

— 🗣🎙‼️ (@LanceTHESPOKEN) April 19, 2024

GMs like Roseman, Lynch, and DeCosta get all the hype and praise while Veach gets rings because the players he drafted beat those GM's teams when it matter the most.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by tredadda

GMs like Roseman, Lynch, and DeCosta get all the hype and praise while Veach gets rings because the players he drafted beat those GM's teams when it matter the most.

Yeah but Mel Kiper likes their drafts better, so...

[stevegroganfan]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

As Chiefs GM, Brett Veach has made 41 draft picks.

Of those 41 picks:

34 are still on an NFL roster.
24 are still on the Chiefs roster.
15 are starters for the Chiefs.
14 were drafted after the 2nd round.
All 4 of his 1st round picks are still on the Chiefs roster. pic.twitter.com/xR01CwBFWu

— ����‼️ (@LanceTHESPOKEN) April 19, 2024

Reid/Dorsey/Veach have done a great job picking players and managing the roster.

But so far, perhaps around 60-70% of Chiefs success during Mahomes era has to do with these 5 individuals and Veach was not the main person responsible for drafting/hiring any of them as GM.

Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones, Travis Kelce, Tyeek Hill*

* give Veach credit for the Hill trade but that was kind of a no brainer for any half competent GM since Hill wanted to be paid the megabucks. What wasn't a no brainer is what the Chiefs did with the proceeds/cap room of the Hill trade and they did a pretty good job with it. Maybe Chiefs only win 1 out of last 2 SB's with Hill on the team. But the point holds that Hill was a major asset drafted before Veach as GM.

Once Kelce/Chris Jones retire, Veach will have an opportunity to prove himself a bit more. If Mahomes is healthy, realistically even with a bad roster that should equal 8 or 9 wins.

Dorsey is the equivalent of the GM that selected 3 great NBA players but he left the team before the best player selected of the 3 played his first NBA game and he had some not so good role players on the team since they were old and past their prime or never that good. How much Reid and Veach helped with those picks in comparison to other coaches/scouts really only Dorsey knows and whether he would even tell the truth to the media is hard to know. Some people take too much of the credit for themselves while others give too much of the credit to others.

How much Dorsey has helped the Lions is a bit of an unknown as well.

[PHOG]

Originally Posted by stevegroganfan

Reid/Dorsey/Veach have done a great job picking players and managing the roster.

But so far, perhaps around 60-70% of Chiefs success during Mahomes era has to do with these 5 individuals and Veach was not the main person responsible for drafting/hiring any of them as GM.

Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones, Travis Kelce, Tyeek Hill*

* give Veach credit for the Hill trade but that was kind of a no brainer for any half competent GM since Hill wanted to be paid the megabucks. What wasn't a no brainer is what the Chiefs did with the proceeds/cap room of the Hill trade and they did a pretty good job with it. Maybe Chiefs only win 1 out of last 2 SB's with Hill on the team. But the point holds that Hill was a major asset drafted before Veach as GM.

Once Kelce/Chris Jones retire, Veach will have an opportunity to prove himself a bit more. If Mahomes is healthy, realistically even with a bad roster that should equal 8 or 9 wins.

Dorsey is the equivalent of the GM that selected 3 great NBA players but he left the team before the best player selected of the 3 played his first NBA game and he had some not so good role players on the team since they were old and past their prime or never that good. How much Reid and Veach helped with those picks in comparison to other coaches/scouts really only Dorsey knows and whether he would even tell the truth to the media is hard to know. Some people take too much of the credit for themselves while others give too much of the credit to others.

How much Dorsey has helped the Lions is a bit of an unknown as well.

tl;dr

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by stevegroganfan

Reid/Dorsey/Veach have done a great job picking players and managing the roster.

But so far, perhaps around 60-70% of Chiefs success during Mahomes era has to do with these 5 individuals and Veach was not the main person responsible for drafting/hiring any of them as GM.

Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones, Travis Kelce, Tyeek Hill*

* give Veach credit for the Hill trade but that was kind of a no brainer for any half competent GM since Hill wanted to be paid the megabucks. What wasn't a no brainer is what the Chiefs did with the proceeds/cap room of the Hill trade and they did a pretty good job with it. Maybe Chiefs only win 1 out of last 2 SB's with Hill on the team. But the point holds that Hill was a major asset drafted before Veach as GM.

Once Kelce/Chris Jones retire, Veach will have an opportunity to prove himself a bit more. If Mahomes is healthy, realistically even with a bad roster that should equal 8 or 9 wins.

Dorsey is the equivalent of the GM that selected 3 great NBA players but he left the team before the best player selected of the 3 played his first NBA game and he had some not so good role players on the team since they were old and past their prime or never that good. How much Reid and Veach helped with those picks in comparison to other coaches/scouts really only Dorsey knows and whether he would even tell the truth to the media is hard to know. Some people take too much of the credit for themselves while others give too much of the credit to others.

How much Dorsey has helped the Lions is a bit of an unknown as well.

Does Bill get credit for Brady who was drafted as an afterthought? You can argue the credit for KCs success to those people you mentioned, but being a GM is more than just drafting well. It’s about retaining the right players at the right price. It’s good that you bring up Dorsey/Mahomes because the chances of Mahomes landing in KC without Veach are minimal at best if not a 0% chance.

Jones was important to the success of the defense, but outside of him, every other starter on defense was either drafted by him or brought in as a FA by him. On offense we saw what happens when Mahomes, despite being the best QB in the league with elite talent at WR and TE does when he has no protection. Veach not only addressed it, but built one of the best lines in the NFL. He brought in critical yet underrated pieces like McKinnon who were also a boon to this offense.

He stole one of the league’s best kickers from the Carolina PS and then drafted one of the top punters in the league before moving on from him and signing an elite punter coming out of college.

He took $70 in cap space (or something close to that) and turned that into the largest QB contract ever at the time while extending two of the players you mentioned above (Kelce and Jones). He moved on from Hill and the team got better.

Your assessment definitely shows that you are not a Chiefs fan and screams average NFL Network watcher with only talking point evaluations of Veach. He is absolutely one of the biggest reasons for KC’s unprecedented success.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by stevegroganfan

Reid/Dorsey/Veach have done a great job picking players and managing the roster.

But so far, perhaps around 60-70% of Chiefs success during Mahomes era has to do with these 5 individuals and Veach was not the main person responsible for drafting/hiring any of them as GM.

Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones, Travis Kelce, Tyeek Hill*

* give Veach credit for the Hill trade but that was kind of a no brainer for any half competent GM since Hill wanted to be paid the megabucks. What wasn't a no brainer is what the Chiefs did with the proceeds/cap room of the Hill trade and they did a pretty good job with it. Maybe Chiefs only win 1 out of last 2 SB's with Hill on the team. But the point holds that Hill was a major asset drafted before Veach as GM.

Once Kelce/Chris Jones retire, Veach will have an opportunity to prove himself a bit more. If Mahomes is healthy, realistically even with a bad roster that should equal 8 or 9 wins.

Dorsey is the equivalent of the GM that selected 3 great NBA players but he left the team before the best player selected of the 3 played his first NBA game and he had some not so good role players on the team since they were old and past their prime or never that good. How much Reid and Veach helped with those picks in comparison to other coaches/scouts really only Dorsey knows and whether he would even tell the truth to the media is hard to know. Some people take too much of the credit for themselves while others give too much of the credit to others.

How much Dorsey has helped the Lions is a bit of an unknown as well.

-The entire defense sans Chris Jones was constructed by Veach, which heavily carried this last team to it's 3rd Super Bowl.

-Moving on from Hill wasn't a no brainer when you see how well he's done individually, as well as the entire league declaring we were cooked after the trade. There were actual NFL experts out there that believed Tyreek made Mahomes and he would struggle mightily without him. Veach made the shrewd decision of letting him go and believed that Mahomes would make up the difference, and was correct.

-You're gonna have to give some credit to Veach for discovering Mahomes in the first place. Dorsey probably doesn't trade up if Veach wasn't so insistent that Mahomes was the best football player he'd ever seen.

-The dude's draft classes the last 5 years just speak for themselves. You might think it's easy to maintain a dynasty when you have the 6 guys you mentioned, but with Mahomes taking up as much cap as he is, you BETTER draft well to keep this thing rolling. Thank god he has.

[Rainbarrel]

Originally Posted by ThrobProng

God Florio is such a douche. Sorry if Q:

nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/chiefs-finally-take-care-of-andy-reid

Somehing was wrong with this picture.

Chiefs coach Andy Reid, one of the greatest to ever do it, was making only $12.5 million per year. Roughly half of what Bill Belichick was believed to be making in New England.

It needed to change. It finally has changed. And while it shouldn’t have taken that long for the Chiefs to take care of Reid, better late than never.

Along the way, the Chiefs were indeed preparing for the possibility that Reid would retire after the 2023 season. The fact that he didn’t doesn’t change the fact that the Chiefs were preparing for the possibility. (Even though plenty of Chiefs fans believe that, by not retiring, Reid absolutely never considered it and the Chiefs absolutely never anticipated the possibility.)

Here’s where I’ll pull back the curtain, a little bit, on how the sausage gets stuffed. If/when I’m barking up the wrong tree on something, I’ll inevitably hear about it — from someone with the team, someone associated with the person (if not the person himself), or an intermediary who has been assigned the task of setting me straight. Not once did I hear a peep from the Chiefs or Reid or anyone connected to them that the Chiefs weren’t or shouldn’t be preparing for the possibility that Reid would retire.

Publicly, everyone said what they had to say. Privately, the Chiefs were indeed preparing for the possibility that Reid would retire.

Without a major raise, maybe he would have. Maybe he (or his agent) suggested retirement as an option without a new deal. Maybe it would have been an option. Why keep doing the job for 50 percent of what Belichick was getting?

There’s no salary cap for coaches. Reid could have, in theory, pulled a Sean Payton, taking a year off and then naming his price for, say, the Bills.

The move helped Payton get to, reportedly, $20 million per year. Whatever happened behind the scenes got Reid what he deserves. If, along the way, he had to make the Chiefs consider their options for life without Reid in order to make it happen, so be it.

Because it worked.

The KC Star, rightfully so, is fading into nothingness. Florio is here to pick up the baton and shove it were it pleases

[PHOG]

Not once did I hear a peep from the Chiefs or Reid or anyone connected to them that the Chiefs weren’t or shouldn’t be preparing for the possibility that Reid would retire.

Maybe because they're tired of your ignorant ass!!

Without a major raise, maybe he would have. Maybe he (or his agent) suggested retirement as an option without a new deal. Maybe it would have been an option. Why keep doing the job for 50 percent of what Belichick was getting?

Maybe they just wish you would go away like YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO BITCH!!

[Pepe Silvia]

God damn can Florio kill himself already?

[RealSNR]

Yeah, Florio, I'll bet Andy's really concerned about being the highest paid coach.

Sheesh... I know he's done interviews with Reid before, but it's like he doesn't even know who Andy Reid is.

[Sassy Squatch]

Dude just outright admitted to making shit up.

[Sassy Squatch]

"B-b-but if they don't correct me it must be true!!!" No, the Chiefs are just a notoriously tight lipped org and have no use for your stupid ass.