Chiefs focused on Mahomes, McCaffrey, and Cunningham in RD1

[pugsnotdrugs19]

SEE POST #11 FIRST

... the word in the Chiefs building is that they would like to trade up for QB Patrick Mahomes or RB Christian McCaffrey in the first round. If this falls through, he said they like ILB Zach Cunningham a lot as well.

[rico]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

It would be fascinating to put Alex on a TRULY awful team as an experiment. The 2-14 Chiefs don't count, given our 7000 Pro Bowlers we had that year.

I'm talking a zero, nothing, nadda team. Like, I think Cleveland might be too good for Alex. I'm thinking a team like San Francisco that TRULY has nothing for him.

Put him on that team. Test the theory about Alex Smith really making your defense better because ball control is his #1 goal. Check out his stat line when he has no decent ballcarriers and no targets outside of maybe a decent TE and a wiley vet WR. See if he still keeps his INTs in the single digits and his TDs in the 18-22 range. See how many wins he can rack up playing that way.

You'll have to accommodate him with a head coach that isn't a TOTAL unknown or a bag of shit, I guess. But how many retreads are available every year? That shouldn't be too hard.

Most of all, put him on that team so he'll get the **** off of mine.

Probably 0-16.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

Would you be happy with Kizer or Webb?

I'll be happy if they take a QB in the first 2 rounds period. I know they aren't going to settle for somebody who isn't their guy if they make that kind of investment, so I'll give Dorsey (and Reid) the benefit of the doubt, though I do have my preferences.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I could buy this. Wouldn't be surprised if all the attention on Mahomes is bs and they really love Kizer or Watson. Dorsey always plays it close to the vest.

I still think Kizer's a better fit for AZ and Mahomes for KC.

If Andy's on board with Kizer, so am I. Tough nut to crack but there's some Big Ben potential in the kid. Man, you've gotta worry about the sporadic accuracy and potential problems reading schemes.

Frames like his have gotten many a head coach fired - you fall in love with the frame and forget that the kid may just not be able to play.

[rico]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He will throw for 3,200 yards with 18 TDs and 8 interceptions while going 6-10. The league will sing his praises for how well he dealt with a weak supporting cast and heavy adversity and if he's a free agent he'll end up signing a contract with the Texans. People will insist that with Hopkins, Miller and Fuller and a steady OL, this is the year he'll take a big step forward and finally shed the 'game manager' label.

Then he'll go to Houston and throw for 3,400 yard with 17 TDs and 6 interceptions while going 10-6 before losing to the first halfway decent quarterback he faces in the postseason. The league will damn him for proving once and for all that he's a product of the teams around him (while failing to notice that the team around him doesn't matter and he's the same guy regardless of the surrounding talent).

100 years later we will unearth Alien tablets talking about their Alex Smith trollbot and how they just laughed and laughed and laughed because fans never realized that Alex Smith was an elaborate hoax perpetrated on a select few football fans to punish them for thinking offensive lines win championships.



****ing aliens got us again...

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I still think Kizer's a better fit for AZ and Mahomes for KC.

If Andy's on board with Kizer, so am I. Tough nut to crack but there's some Big Ben potential in the kid. Man, you've gotta worry about the sporadic accuracy and potential problems reading schemes.

Frames like his have gotten many a head coach fired - you fall in love with the frame and forget that the kid may just not be able to play.

That's basically all it comes down to for me. I love the size and arm talent, so if Reid thinks he can turn him into a franchise QB, I'm all in. He does scare the shit out of me though.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

It would be fascinating to put Alex on a TRULY awful team as an experiment.

FTR that team was pretty much the 2009 and/or 2010 49ers.

Other than Vernon Davis and Frank Gore they didn't have much of anything on offense.

The Harbaugh defenses were nowhere to be found and Smith was 10-12 as a starter those two years.

FYI it's worth noting:

2009 49ers - 35 offensive TDs, 27th ranked offense
2010 49ers - 29 offensive TDs, 24th ranked offense
2011 49ers - 32 offensive TDs, 26th ranked offense

Despite relatively similar offensive production, suddenly a historically elite defense shows up and Alex Smith is a "winner."

Alex Smith was, is and will always be a LIE.

[Sandy Vagina]

I agree to much of what you are saying, DJLN... while pointing to a different primary target to fault (Andy)... but yeah, the production won't change much right away if at all.

I wouldn't have a problem with a WR drafted early on, if the value is too good to pass on... if for no other reason than to have a viable replacement for JMac's cap hit in 2018.

I still wouldn't prefer that they move up for a WR.

Get some QB2-type that could possibly develop into more in rounds 2-3.
Get ILB in rds 1-4 for DJ and March's broke asses...
Get OLB in rds 1-4 for Houston's broke ass, and Ford's likely departure. (and Hali's out after the yr)
Get a RCB in rds 2-4 that can convincingly challenge Mitchell and Gaines right away.
Get a DL in rds 3-4 to develop behind Logan.

there's your first 4 rounds... then go:

Get a day 3 wideout to challenge the other scrubs.
Get a day 3 RB to challenge the scrubs.
Get a day 3/UDFA to challenge the scrubs.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ASS11

FTR that team was pretty much the 2009 and/or 2010 49ers.

Other than Vernon Davis and Frank Gore they didn't have much of anything on offense.

The Harbaugh defenses were nowhere to be found and Smith was 10-12 as a starter those two years.

FYI it's worth noting:

2009 49ers - 35 offensive TDs, 27th ranked offense
2010 49ers - 29 offensive TDs, 24th ranked offense
2011 49ers - 32 offensive TDs, 26th ranked offense

He's Even Steven.

I've never seen anything like it. Take all his toys away and he'll perform almost exactly the same as he does with complete garbage.

He was perfect for the 2-14 Chiefs and once it didn't work out in year 3, it was time to move on. He's going to be perfect for the Browns or Jags or some other shit team {cough}Sanfrancisco{cough} with no real talent or hope of winning now but a plan for a window in 3 years.

The guys a great guy to have if you're shitty - he really will help bad teams get to merely average.

To each according to need, from all according to ability. Komrad Alex Smith.

[Buckweath]

I'm not a fan of drafting a RB in the 1st round at all. If they draft McCaffrey they better think that he can be a big threat in the passing game.

Nothing would be better IMO than getting a QB in the first round so Chiefs fans can then put pressure on Alex Smith. That being said, you can't force things and always have to look for BPA, which factors in need.

[Discuss Thrower]

I doubt the decision makers in the FO would be so loose-lipped with who they are thinking.

Regardless of rumors, if they trade up it will be for a guy that hasn't been slated to fall to 27. I haven't kept up at all with prospect talk, but I'd like to think they'd trade up for the sole reason of getting a guy that can hedge against a FA departure or salary cut -a Dee Ford or Jeremy Maclin replacement is much more likely in my mind than a QB.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He's Even Steven.

I've never seen anything like it. Take all his toys away and he'll perform almost exactly the same as he does with complete garbage.

He was perfect for the 2-14 Chiefs and once it didn't work out in year 3, it was time to move on. He's going to be perfect for the Browns or Jags or some other shit team {cough}Sanfrancisco{cough} with no real talent or hope of winning now but a plan for a window in 3 years.

The guys a great guy to have if you're shitty - he really will help bad teams get to merely average.

To each according to need, from all according to ability. Komrad Alex Smith.

When Kurt Vonnegut wrote Harrison Bergeron, he surely imagined a QB like Alex Smith as the perfect football player in his dystopian short story.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

I doubt the decision makers in the FO would be so loose-lipped with who they are thinking.

Regardless of rumors, if they trade up it will be for a guy that hasn't been slated to fall to 27. I haven't kept up at all with prospect talk, but I'd like to think they'd trade up for the sole reason of getting a guy that can hedge against a FA departure or salary cut -a Dee Ford or Jeremy Maclin replacement is much more likely in my mind than a QB.

And Alex Smith's $17 million figure doesn't qualify?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And Alex Smith's $17 million figure doesn't qualify?

In a vacuum, yes.


But this is the Chiefs we're talking about here; the franchise with an absurd aversion to drafting QBs higher than the 3rd round.

EDIT: Also, to save bandwidth from the typical nuthuggers, that salary isn't in the top quarter of QBs any longer IIRC.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

When Kurt Vonnegut wrote Harrison Bergeron, he surely imagined a QB like Alex Smith as the perfect football player in his dystopian short story.

And of course Tom 'Harrison' Brady...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

In a vacuum, yes.


But this is the Chiefs we're talking about here; the franchise with an absurd aversion to drafting QBs higher than the 3rd round.

EDIT: Also, to save bandwidth from the typical nuthuggers, that salary isn't in the top quarter of QBs any longer IIRC.

Which again, gets to my point - there isn't a single larger advantage in the NFL right now than a cost-controlled quarterback.

$17 million is a pittance for any quarterback no longer on a rookie deal. That's, what, bottom 3rd for starting QBs on their second contract or later?

They make 3-5 times what similarly situated RBs make. That's why you don't take RBs in the first round.