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View Poll Results: If no QB then who?
LT Luke Joekel 40 31.01%
DE Star Lotulelei 30 23.26%
LB Jarvis Jones 19 14.73%
Other (who, why?) 40 31.01%
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:53 PM   #1
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I hated the Cassel trade and don't want Alex Smith, even for a single year.

The issue I'm seeing is that there are many people convinced that G. Smith is a savior and should be acquired, regardless of whether or not he's worthy of being number #1 overall. And if he's not, Reid is a failure.

It's really quite bizarre.
Dude, I think I'm just going to have to leave these posts alone until the draft is over. I really do think you're grossly misrepresenting what people believe about Geno Smith on this board.

Geno Smith MIGHT be a Super Bowl QB. He has the potential. And if he goes to KC, he'll have the coaching staff to put him in that position. He's not a savior, but lots of people like him and want him to be a Chief. You don't have to label it as a religious fervor. In fact, you SHOULDN'T. Because that's not what's going on. At all.

Alex Smith will NOT be a Super Bowl QB. Ever. Barring, of course, a Trent Dilfer-like experience, which I'm not anticipating to happen in the NFL ever again.

That's why so many people are positive on Geno and negative on Alex Smith.

If Andy drafts Geno Smith, and Geno busts, Andy is not a failure. If Andy punts on this QB issue in year one by trading for Alex Smith/Matt Flynn/Nick Foles, then yes, he absolutely IS a failure. Right out of the gate. No questions asked.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:38 PM   #2
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You're talking about a team that has failed to win a PLAYOFF game in 20 years, yet making Super Bowl will be as easy as taking a QB #1 overall in a year when the best prospect would be a bottom first if not a second on most years, is the answer.

Again, the ****ing hyperbole is highest it's been in the history of Chiefsplanet.
That's bullshit hyperbole Dane
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:46 PM   #3
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That's bullshit hyperbole Dane
No, it's not.

The Combines haven't even taken place yet in the minds of many CPers, Smith is a Super Bowl QB that's unquestionably the number overall choice.

Yet, outside of this forum, he's viewed by many as a second rounder, a guy with questionable leadeship skills and for certain, he's no where near the consensus number one pick.

Now, that's not to say that he won't become those things, but similar things were said about Jimmy Clausen a few years back, yet he fell to the second round and has sucked ass in the NFL.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:52 PM   #4
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Yet, outside of this forum, he's viewed by many as a second rounder, a guy with questionable leadeship skills and for certain, he's no where near the consensus number one pick.
And NFL Network just mocked him #1 yesterday.

You're leaning a bit too far over the "Chiefsplanet is the only place Geno is highly regarded" fence.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:52 PM   #5
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No, it's not.

The Combines haven't even taken place yet in the minds of many CPers, Smith is a Super Bowl QB that's unquestionably the number overall choice.

Yet, outside of this forum, he's viewed by many as a second rounder, a guy with questionable leadeship skills and for certain, he's no where near the consensus number one pick.

Now, that's not to say that he won't become those things, but similar things were said about Jimmy Clausen a few years back, yet he fell tothe second round and has sucked ass in the NFL.
I think most of us believe that the 5th to 7th overall ranking that some have him listed at is far more realistic than the 2nd round talent that others have him listed as being.

Therefore it is not as much of a reach to see him going 1st overall to us.

Hell, many of those who say he is too big of reach to take at #1 have him going 3rd or 4th and being a good pick at that spot.
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:31 PM   #6
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No, it's not.

The Combines haven't even taken place yet in the minds of many CPers, Smith is a Super Bowl QB that's unquestionably the number overall choice.

Yet, outside of this forum, he's viewed by many as a second rounder, a guy with questionable leadeship skills and for certain, he's no where near the consensus number one pick.

Now, that's not to say that he won't become those things, but similar things were said about Jimmy Clausen a few years back, yet he fell to the second round and has sucked ass in the NFL.
Let's be real for a second. Jimmy Clausen was a spoon fed weiner with an overall lack of skills for the position at the next level. Arm strength was middling at best, zero mobility, a lack of pocket presence, etc. There was no way that this guy was going to be a good pro and the only reason that people got worked up around here about it was the Weis was the OC and people thought he would be an easier transition because he knew the system.

There is no way that Clausen is even close to Geno in terms of being an NFL prospect. NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE.

Geno is legit, and most drafniks have had him going to the Chiefs at #1. Other than Kiper and McShay. So, I guess it comes down to who you find plausible in terms of player draft analysis - the two draftnik helmetheads at ESPN or just about everybody else on the planet.
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:23 PM   #7
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Logic states that free agent qbs don't win SBS. Yet here we are discussing this again
That's not logic, that's an assumption that past performance over a limited data set can be extrapolated into the future along a straight line.
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:38 PM   #8
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That's not logic, that's an assumption that past performance over a limited data set can be extrapolated into the future along a straight line.
Assumption? It's a fact based on history.


Do you think Alex smith is the guy to buck that trend?
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:52 PM   #9
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Assumption? It's a fact based on history.


Do you think Alex smith is the guy to buck that trend?
I doubt that Alex Smith is the guy to buck that trend for the same reason you're sure of it. But neither of us are in a position to judge, which is why we resort to crude guesses based on historical statistics.

It's not a "fact" based on history. If history could produce facts like that, nothing would ever happen for the first time, which is preposterous.
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Tannehill goes #8 overall, so there's little chance in hell that Smith falls out of the top 10 pretty much any year.
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If it's not a QB, it doesn't matter. If they get some retread backup from another team to start, then Reid is just a fatter, burned out version of Marty.
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If it's not a QB, it doesn't matter. If they get some retread backup from another team to start, then Reid is just a fatter, burned out version of Marty.
Or maybe, just maybe, he doesn't like him to lead his team.

Regardless, it's stupid to state that Reid is a failure neary three full months before the draft and 8 months before he's coached his first game.
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There is absolutely no way Geno makes it past the Raiders at #3. I will bet anyone anything on that. Come at me Dane.
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There is absolutely no way Geno makes it past the Raiders at #3. I will bet anyone anything on that. Come at me Dane.
I believe it's at least 50/50 that he will be the Raiders QB this coming year.
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