*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****

[Dante84]

IT ****ING HAPPENED



OP UPDATE:

Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I would suggest reading approximately 3,000 posts since he was drafted, indicating he's the Super Bowl answer and in some cases, this year.

KC Tattoo and Coogs are the clubhouse leaders, with many shortly behind.

Good lord DaneMcDarkcloud I know he isn't a guarantee for Super Bowl success


It's risk/reward I know this but this is something I haven't seen in being a fan for 3 and a half decades so I'm going be super homeristic because this is fun for me.


I want him to develop into being the Super Star we drafted him to be it doesn't happen overnight and I know he has a long ways to go and I know he may struggle to get there and for all I know he could be a bust but for right now he is who and what we drafted that looks like he is going be everything we dream a quarterback should be. I sure don't expect him to play this year even though I think he can handle it but I don't want him thrusted out there unless coaches think he is ready. I'm not coaching him so I have no say just having fun wishful thinking and speculating.


I don't know if Patrick Mahomes II is going bring us Super Bowl glory or not but that's what we drafted him for. He sure is a better looking answer than retreads that have failed us unless you are happy with the 2 playoff wins in the last half century?

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I would suggest reading approximately 3,000 posts since he was drafted, indicating he's the Super Bowl answer and in some cases, this year.

KC Tattoo and Coogs are the clubhouse leaders, with many shortly behind.

Let's try this one more time. I think Smith is gone next season. Cap reasons.

Win total in Vegas is 9. I would not touch it with a ten foot pole if I was betting. Either way.

IF, it happens that the Chiefs are approaching the under side of that Vegas betting line, I think we see Mahomes for two or three games to close the year since he will most likely be the starter in 2018.

I do not think 2 or 3 starts will harm his development. In fact, if this scenario plays out, I think 2 or 3 starts enhances his development.

[saphojunkie]

I've always been a "sit him for a year" guy. But I am trying to think if there is good evidence to suggest that does anything. I get Aaron Rodgers is the obvious example, but outside of that- who?

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I've always been a "sit him for a year" guy. But I am trying to think if there is good evidence to suggest that does anything. I get Aaron Rodgers is the obvious example, but outside of that- who?

We may see Patrick Mahomes next season but I doubt he plays a lot. Here is a list of 1st rd QBs who barely played their first season. You can see it is not as rare as many people on here are making it out to be.

- #1 Pick Carson Palmer didn't play at all his first year.
- 4th pick Phillip Rivers (behind Drew Brees; 2 games, 8 attempts)
- 8th pick Jake Locker (behind Matt Hasselbeck; 5 games, 66 attempts)
- 11th pick Daunte Culpepper (behind Jeff George/Randall Cunningham; 1 game, 0 attempts)
- 18th pick Chad Pennington (behind Vinny Testaverde; 1 game, 5 attempts)
- 22nd Johnny Manziel (5 games, 35 attempts)
- 22nd pick Brady Quinn (behind Derek Anderson; 1 game, 8 attempts)
- 22nd pick J.P. Losman (behind Drew Bledsoe; 4 games, 5 attempts)
- 24th pick Aaron Rodgers (behind Brett Favre; 3 games, 16 attempts)
- 25th Pick Jason Campbell didn't play at all his first year.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I've always been a "sit him for a year" guy. But I am trying to think if there is good evidence to suggest that does anything. I get Aaron Rodgers is the obvious example, but outside of that- who?

Bottom line is, sitting star QB prospects has become a thing of the past. Whether or not it is the right move for Mahomes is not for me to say.

But top QBs dont sit anymore. Period.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by dls6501

But top QBs dont sit anymore. Period.

Mostly because they're drafted by shit teams who have nothing better on the roster.

The Chiefs are in a unique situation. An ideal situation.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Mostly because they're drafted by shit teams who have nothing better on the roster.

The Chiefs are in a unique situation. An ideal situation.

Be that as it may, the whole QBs sitting and learning for a year+ is not standard operating procedure by NFL teams anymore. That's all I am saying.

[Kiimo]

That may be true but you look at someone like Goff and you think maybe they should.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

That may be true but you look at someone like Goff and you think maybe they should.

Dont disagree with this either.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by dls6501

Be that as it may, the whole QBs sitting and learning for a year+ is not standard operating procedure by NFL teams anymore. That's all I am saying.

Who gives a ****?

It's clearly the right move for us and Mahomes. That's all that matters.

[Kiimo]

Here's what I think: maybe Mahomes is ready to start right now. If he is he'll be that much better when he finally does start. We as fans lose nothing having him sit and he's going to sit so there's no use really even discussing it.

In the meantime Captain Checkdown can win us some games and have a playoff run. No I don't think we can win a Superbowl and frankly that's fine. The only way I'd be upset is if they sit Mahomes in '18 as well. That's a bridge too far.

I disagree with all this Mahomes needs at least two years bullshit. Perfecting footwork is only necessary when you rely on footwork to make throws. It seems Mahomes can make all the throws without it. But I digress, he isn't starting in '17 so drill away and prepare in case Alex is injured.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Who gives a ****?

It's clearly the right move for us and Mahomes. That's all that matters.

Like I have said before, You have absolutely no idea what is the right move for us or for Mahomes.

Mahomes could be ready now. He could be ready in 2018. He could never be ready. I am just tired of hearing people claim they know when he will be ready and know what is best for him.

You dont. I dont. Know one does.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by dls6501

Bottom line is, sitting star QB prospects has become a thing of the past. Whether or not it is the right move for Mahomes is not for me to say.

But top QBs dont sit anymore. Period.

Every situation is unique and different. You shouldn't just do something because everyone else is doing it.

Most people drink alcohol but if an alcoholic does it I think we can all agree it is probably a bad idea.

Originally Posted by dls6501

Like I have said before, You have absolutely no idea what is the right move for us or for Mahomes.

Mahomes could be ready now. He could be ready in 2018. He could never be ready. I am just tired of hearing people claim they know when he will be ready and know what is best for him.

You dont. I dont. Know one does.

I trust Reid to make that decision, not you.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by dls6501

Like I have said before, You have absolutely no idea what is the right move for us or for Mahomes.

Mahomes could be ready now. He could be ready in 2018. He could never be ready. I am just tired of hearing people claim they know when he will be ready and know what is best for him.

You dont. I dont. Know one does.

I'm not claiming to know 100%, but sitting and learning definitely can't hurt, while starting him too early can.

It really is that simple, and since we don't need to start him right away, we shouldn't.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Here's what I think: maybe Mahomes is ready to start right now. If he is he'll be that much better when he finally does start. We as fans lose nothing having him sit and he's going to sit so there's no use really even discussing it.

In the meantime Captain Checkdown can win us some games and have a playoff run. No I don't think we can win a Superbowl and frankly that's fine. The only way I'd be upset is if they sit Mahomes in '18 as well. That's a bridge too far.

I disagree with all this Mahomes needs at least two years bullshit. Perfecting footwork is only necessary when you rely on footwork to make throws. It seems Mahomes can make all the throws without it. But I digress, he isn't starting in '17 so drill away and prepare in case Alex is injured.

This is all I've been saying isn't that he should play but the possibilities because of circumstance and his abilities may push the issue that he ends up playing right or wrong not my decision to put him in that will be up to the coaches. I just think the kid will be ready and not be ruined if indeed he plays. I'm not suggesting he starts at all this season unless playoffs are out of reach and he knows the offense and can read defenses. No way would he do worse than Alex Smith rookie year.