Star Wars Episode IX - SPOILER THREAD

[Rams Fan]

I think ROS just shat all over Palpatine's story arc.

They brought him back for hardly any action, didn't explain how he survived, and then reveal him to be Rey's grandfather?

GTFO

Also undermines Anakin's arc, too.

[Sorry]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

I don't understand all the negativity. I'm not going to put it at the top of the list, there are some things I would change, but it wasn't a bad film overall.

The plot was dumb af. The ending was an avengers knockoff. The last battle scene was the biggest joke of all time. It should’ve been an epic battle but just like snoke, done in 2 mins

[Hammock Parties]

The way that Palpatine went out didn't even make sense.

This guy who's supposed to be a mastermind, and has been planning this for decades...goes out via the same tactic Mace Windu used on him circa 18 years before battle of yavin?

So not only did they put a character in the movie who should not have been in the movie, they didn't explain why he was in it - like THEY DIDN'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO DO THAT AT ALL - and then the things he did in the movie were just plain-assed stupid.

**** Jar Jar Abrams.

Dave Filoni spent more effort and imagination in resurrecting Darth Maul in a ****ing cartoon.

[Chiefspants]

I remember reading a reddit thread that ruefully regretted that Luke didn’t go The Force Unleashed at the end of The Last Jedi.

Since I’ve legitimately wondered how many would have preferred that ending.

[KurtCobain]

Just got back from seeing it. It was fun, it was entertaining, it was a garbage story that seemed to be set out to cover up the garbage story of The last Jedi.

[Megatron96]

My buddy who is a huge Stars Wars fan and a commercial artist that saw the movie the day before it was released told me to stay away. Sometimes he gets caught up in the nit-pickery though. But he said the story is completely ****ed up.

I'll probably catch it when it hits Amazon for 9.99.

[Sassy Squatch]

So what Finn wanted to tell Rey the whole movie was that he's force sensitive.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

So what Finn wanted to tell Rey the whole movie was that he's force sensitive.

Is that so? I never found out what Finns secret was.

Going a diff direction, my 7&9 year old boys loved it. They knew all the characters and loved seeing them come on screen. These movies aren’t made for dads they’re made for their kids. Lucas aptly said re: criticisms of Jar Jar: “These are kids movies”. And he’s right.

Personally I liked Palpatine’s role in the movie. Why does it matter if his granddaughter was hidden? Why is that impossible? Luke and Leia were hidden. Since I read no spoilers I had no clue that was her heritage

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Personally I liked Palpatine’s role in the movie. Why does it matter if his granddaughter was hidden? Why is that impossible? Luke and Leia were hidden.

It's not believable within the context of the larger story.

Anakin didn't know his children had survived Padme's death. I can believe that.

If they had provided some kind of explanation for:

1. Why grandpa Palps was clappin' cheeks (really ****ing stupid)
2. How the most powerful being in the galaxy managed to lose track of his only son.
3. How he ALSO managed to lose track of his incredibly powerful force sensitive granddaughter.

I maybe could have bought it.

But they didn't even try to explain shit.

It's not believable whatsoever. It's lazy storytelling because Snoke got kilt. As is making Rey ABSURDLY powerful. More powerful than ANY Jedi we've ever seen before.

If the Jedi Masters on the old council had her powers, Palpatine would have been ****ed.

Stupid, lazy, hamfisted Jar Jar Abrams storytelling.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

It's not believable within the context of the larger story.

Anakin didn't know his children had survived Padme's death. I can believe that.

He didn’t know where “Obi-Ben” was hiding out? He knew Ben didn’t die so why wasn’t he able to locate him. And he was just down the street from his own son. Isn’t that as big a plot hole ?

If they had provided some kind of explanation for:

1. Why grandpa Palps was clappin' cheeks (really ****ing stupid)

I assumed the son was a test tube baby. His Jango Fett

2. How the most powerful being in the galaxy managed to lose track of his only son.

Same way Anakin did

3. How he ALSO managed to lose track of his incredibly powerful force sensitive granddaughter.

I maybe could have bought it.

But they didn't even try to explain shit.

What explanation suffices? If they told you daddy was a test tube baby does that make this plot better ?

It's not believable whatsoever. It's lazy storytelling because Snoke got kilt. As is making Rey ABSURDLY powerful. More powerful than ANY Jedi we've ever seen before.

If the Jedi Masters on the old council had her powers, Palpatine would have been ****ed.

Stupid, lazy, hamfisted Jar Jar Abrams storytelling.

Seems Yoda was the most powerful given how long he lived and how many he trained and his infinity-somersault saber powers. (May the prequels be damned forever)

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

He didn’t know where “Obi-Ben” was hiding out? He knew Ben didn’t die so why wasn’t he able to locate him. And he was just down the street from his own son. Isn’t that as big a plot hole ?

No. Tatooine is on the outer rim, far from where Vader was hanging out, and Anakin hated Tatooine. It's where his mother died. It's not surprising he would never go there ever again. Ben chose his hiding place wisely. As did Yoda. Tatooine is basically sand Dagobah.

That is believable.

I assumed the son was a test tube baby. His Jango Fett

Makes it even more implausible he'd lose track of him. Not buying it.

Same way Anakin did

This is possible IF you explain something, but it still isn't believable. I can believe Anakin getting it on. I CAN'T believe the Emperor doing it.

What explanation suffices? If they told you daddy was a test tube baby does that make this plot better ?

No. There has to be a believable setup explaining how things came to be. When the prequels do a better job of that shit, your movie has a problem.

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

It's not believable within the context of the larger story.

Anakin didn't know his children had survived Padme's death. I can believe that.

If they had provided some kind of explanation for:

1. Why grandpa Palps was clappin' cheeks (really ****ing stupid)
2. How the most powerful being in the galaxy managed to lose track of his only son.
3. How he ALSO managed to lose track of his incredibly powerful force sensitive granddaughter.

I maybe could have bought it.

But they didn't even try to explain shit.

It's not believable whatsoever. It's lazy storytelling because Snoke got kilt. As is making Rey ABSURDLY powerful. More powerful than ANY Jedi we've ever seen before.

If the Jedi Masters on the old council had her powers, Palpatine would have been ****ed.

Stupid, lazy, hamfisted Jar Jar Abrams storytelling.

Problem is we know nothing about Palpatine from episode 6 to episode 9. Did he die when he fell down the shaft & was somehow resurrected or did he just become very weak? If he died it would seem being dead he would have a hard time keeping track of his son. Rey would have been born about 10 years after he died so the fact that he even had a force sensitive granddaughter would not be something he would automatically know about.

Even if he survived in a weak state he lost all his resources so it doesn't seem difficult to see how his son could have escaped a weak Palpatine recovering form injuries without legions of storm troopers at his disposal. Again once Palps lost track of him the fact that he had a daughter would not necessarily be known to him.

I also don't find it hard to believe a guy who was the emperor of the entire known galaxy had a harem of women or that he may have attempted to create an heir in some way.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

Even if he survived in a weak state he lost all his resources so it doesn't seem difficult to see how his son could have escaped a weak Palpatine recovering form injuries without legions of storm troopers at his disposal.

Uh, Palpatine's son was born before BEFORE Return of the Jedi.

So, at the height of the Emperor's powers, not only was he HAVING SEX, he had a son, and somehow this kid got away? And also had his own offspring?

The whole thing isn't believable to begin with, and with zero explanation, it's even less believable.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

Problem is we know nothing about Palpatine from episode 6 to episode 9. Did he die when he fell down the shaft & was somehow resurrected or did he just become very weak? If he died it would seem being dead he would have a hard time keeping track of his son. Rey would have been born about 10 years after he died so the fact that he even had a force sensitive granddaughter would not be something he would automatically know about.

Even if he survived in a weak state he lost all his resources so it doesn't seem difficult to see how his son could have escaped a weak Palpatine recovering form injuries without legions of storm troopers at his disposal. Again once Palps lost track of him the fact that he had a daughter would not necessarily be known to him.

I also don't find it hard to believe a guy who was the emperor of the entire known galaxy had a harem of women or that he may have attempted to create an heir in some way.

Since Palpatine was resurrected, who resurrected him? If he did it himself why doesn’t he just do again now?

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Is that so? I never found out what Finns secret was.

Going a diff direction, my 7&9 year old boys loved it. They knew all the characters and loved seeing them come on screen. These movies aren’t made for dads they’re made for their kids. Lucas aptly said re: criticisms of Jar Jar: “These are kids movies”. And he’s right.

Personally I liked Palpatine’s role in the movie. Why does it matter if his granddaughter was hidden? Why is that impossible? Luke and Leia were hidden. Since I read no spoilers I had no clue that was her heritage

Supposedly according to Abrams.

https://fandomwire.com/2019/12/24/fi...lker-revealed/

When doing a screening of the film for The Academy of Motion Pictures, J.J. explained that Finn was trying to tell Rey something at a couple points throughout the film, which never paid off or fully explained by the end of the movie.

According to Abrams, Finn was actually just trying to tell Rey that he thinks he is Force sensitive. There are several moments in the film where Finn makes comments about feeling something, and or knowing something through intuition.

Which just seems...wierd. Just doesn't feel like something you say to someone right before you think you're going to die.