Chiefs Alex Smith Traded to Chiefs - Page 366

Deberg_1990 · 02-27-2013, 10:59 AM

Well, it looks like the deal is done.

https://twitter.com/intent/user?scre...w_p=tweetembed

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49ers have completed a trade with the Chiefs for Alex Smith, tho can't be official til March 12. Chiefs really made a commitment to Smith

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Deal has been agreed upon between Chiefs and 49ers. Compensation unclear but I'm told again Chiefs have made a clear commitment to Smith.

Wildcat2005 · 08-26-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Wut?

The Skins gave up 3 first round picks and a second round pick to move up four spots to grab a franchise QB.

That is waaaayyyy different than giving up 2 second round picks (assuming we quadruple our wins from the previous year).

Anyone who thinks we gave up "franchise QB" compensation for ASmith is a complete and total mouthbreathing moron.

Griffin is also a significantly greater prospect than a 29 year old check down game manager

Outside of Oakland trading away so much for Palmer(possibly the worst trade I have ever seen), name the other instances where a team has given up so much for a stop gap

No one gives up that much for short term mediocrity
Chiefs traded away the equivalent of a mid to late first for Smith
Thats a possible Aaron Rodgers or Joe Flacco( I am assuming you think they are franchise qbs)

After passing on every qb in the draft despite people on here saying things like "Chiefs FO loves Geno Smith" we have been hearing about how Andy always wanted Smith and how the OC thinks he is the best qb in the league

**RealSNR** · 08-26-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

I'm pretty damned sure they tried to trade down. You don't get fleeced just so you can trade down. It's bad business. If you would have taken Geno Smith, we'd have an immature and unready quarterback to go along with Matt Cassel this year, no long term replacement option for one of our bookend tackles, and no guarantee of shit from Geno Smith who, compared to rookies that were good last year, looks like crap.

When the best player in the draft is an OT who's far from the consensus best player at his own position and has a lot of growing up to do to even be as good as last year's top OT in Matt Kalil, then yeah, you get fleeced. You trade down.

Take what you can get. A 2nd, a 3rd, whatever. Get the extra picks. And with your lower 1st round pick, you can draft a guy who will probably be just as good as Eric Fisher. AND probably at a position of need.

Shit dude, I'm not even talking about Geno Smith here. I'm just talking about a top CB, or a DL, WR, TE... ****ing ANYTHING.

GordonGekko · 08-26-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, I'm sure Chiefs fans everywhere that read that article in USA Today were finally convinced to purchase season tickets.

And yet, it is a national publication, with probably a couple hundred thousand people in the KC Metro area who will read it... so yeah trying to prop up AS, defend his trade, and sell some tix...

nychief · 08-26-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

When the best player in the draft is an OT who's far from the consensus best player at his own position and has a lot of growing up to do to even be as good as last year's top OT in Matt Kalil, then yeah, you get fleeced. You trade down.

Take what you can get. A 2nd, a 3rd, whatever. Get the extra picks. And with your lower 1st round pick, you can draft a guy who will probably be just as good as Eric Fisher. AND probably at a position of need.

Shit dude, I'm not even talking about Geno Smith here. I'm just talking about a top CB, or a DL, WR, TE... ****ing ANYTHING.

are you bitching about Smith or Fisher or both?

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-26-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko

And yet, it is a national publication, with probably a couple hundred thousand people in the KC Metro area who will read it... so yeah trying to prop up AS, defend his trade, and sell some tix...

Bullshit.

That blurb about Smith isn't going to prompt anyone to purchase season tickets.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-26-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JF08

This coming from the guy who would rather go 2-14 so you can get the #1 pick. That's loser mentality. No heart. No competitiveness. No spine. Most women have more testosterone than you.

I'm done giving a shit about picks.

I dream of new ownership.

**RealSNR** · 08-26-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief

are you bitching about Smith or Fisher or both?

I'm arguing against the logic of people who say, "Don't get fleeced on a trade down, dude! That's just a huge waste of draft value!"

*drafts a MAC-conference OT with the #1 overall pick*

Yeah, who's the one wasting draft resources, now?

RobBlake · 08-26-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

That blurb about Smith isn't going to prompt anyone to purchase season tickets.

This.

All he is doing is showing confidence in his QB in the public. Teams sells tickets by winning games, not clever marketing ploys by supporting a QB in a newspaper.

Marcellus · 08-26-2013, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief

Who the **** said 8-8 is acceptable? It isn't. But the George Steinbrenner act is a little tired... Just because fans doesn't stomp their feet and hold their breath because the team didn't draft a QB at no. 1, doesn't mean they don't expect excellence.

I think its simply the sign of an arrogant prick or in this case a bunch of them.

Not one person has given a reasonable counter argument to the 2012 Draft QB shitfest except we should have done "something else".

The Geno fan club is dropping fast though, there are a few hangers on but they wont last long.

Deez is correct, we need to continue to draft and develop QB's and well, the only history we have to go on is Reid's and he has shown a propensity to do just that so I have to believe he will continue. Hell it may be Bray next.

Reid loves Alex but he also knows shit can change in a heartbeat.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-26-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think its simply the sign of an arrogant prick or in this case a bunch of them.

Not one person has given a reasonable counter argument to the 2012 Draft QB shitfest except we should have done "something else".

The Geno fan club is dropping fast though, there are a few hangers on but they wont last long.

Deez is correct, we need to continue to draft and develop QB's and well, the only history we have to go on is Reid's and he has shown a propensity to do just that so I have to believe he will continue. Hell it may be Bray next.

Reid loves Alex but he also knows shit can change in a heartbeat.

If they're "dropping" after one preseason showing, they weren't a fan to begin with.

"Continue"?

duncan_idaho · 08-26-2013, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think its simply the sign of an arrogant prick or in this case a bunch of them.

Not one person has given a reasonable counter argument to the 2012 Draft QB shitfest except we should have done "something else".

The Geno fan club is dropping fast though, there are a few hangers on but they wont last long.

Deez is correct, we need to continue to draft and develop QB's and well, the only history we have to go on is Reid's and he has shown a propensity to do just that so I have to believe he will continue. Hell it may be Bray next.

Reid loves Alex but he also knows shit can change in a heartbeat.

You keep referring to the 2012 draft class. Which is awesome.

You mean to refer to the 2013 class.

Many people have offered counters... Most involve a different stop gap QB and keeping and using the Chiefs' picks on various other options (whether that's Geno in 13 in Round 2, Barkley in Round 3, or a QB in 2014, or using the sacrificed pick in 14 to move up and get the QB they want, etc.).

All of those options involve a lower likelihood of being "respectable" and maybe slipping into the playoffs this season/next, though, so they're not liked.

nychief · 08-26-2013, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You keep referring to the 2012 draft class. Which is awesome.

You mean to refer to the 2013 class.

Many people have offered counters... Most involve a different stop gap QB and keeping and using the Chiefs' picks on various other options (whether that's Geno in 13 in Round 2, Barkley in Round 3, or a QB in 2014, or using the sacrificed pick in 14 to move up and get the QB they want, etc.).

All of those options involve a lower likelihood of being "respectable" and maybe slipping into the playoffs this season/next, though, so they're not liked.

they have a lover likelihood of being "respectable" because the quarterback you mentioned ****ing suck. Geno? barkley? Are you kidding me?

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-26-2013, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief

they have a lover likelihood of being "respectable" because the quarterback you mentioned ****ing suck. Geno? barkley? Are you kidding me?

He likes them not because they're deserving of being drafted high or being NFL Ready, it's because they would have "tried something new".

That is literally the dumbest reason I can possibly think of when drafting a player.

**RealSNR** · 08-26-2013, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief

they have a lover likelihood of being "respectable" because the quarterback you mentioned ****ing suck. Geno? barkley? Are you kidding me?

Why couldn't it happen to us? The Seahawks did the exact same thing by signing Flynn and drafting Wilson.

They just got lucky, or were in the right year. But if Wilson wasn't a Godsend and just another 3rd round QB, they'd have gone with Flynn for a year and stuck with him until Wilson was ready or until another QB they drafted in the future worked out.

We could have signed Palmer, drafted Geno or Barkley, then tried again next year at a QB. We wouldn't have been confined to any one guy until he brought some success, whether that was Palmer, the rookie, or even Tyler Bray or Chase Daniel.

After the Smith trade, I wanted to trade down for peanuts, get one or two extra picks, and then draft a QB, hopefully Geno, with that pick. Ideally our first rounder would have been spent on a real CB or defensive lineman or something.

There are so many better and safer things we could have done than banking on Alex Smith resurrecting this franchise. Diversify. Keep trying.

God, you don't just invest in one shitty stock in your portfolio. You try many things. In sports betting, you bet on multiple games to cover your ground.

**DeezNutz** · 08-26-2013, 04:22 PM

My biggest pet peeve with the RGIII trade is that some argued that the Skins gave up 3 first-rounders to complete it. Yeah, not exactly. There was a swap of first rounders in '12 that allowed the selection in the first place.

Thus, the team sacrificed two firsts. Yeah. Big ****ing deal. Cheap, cheap, cheap deal.

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