KU **** Official Kansas State vs Kansas Game Thread ****

**mikeyis4dcats.** · 03-16-2013, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm

As a outside observer if KU and KSU tied for the season championship how could they be anything but co-champions? And now that KU won the tourney championship against Kstate as a Kstate fan I'd be embarrassed to go around claiming a Big 12 championship. But that's just me.
Especially since they haven't beat Kansas this year.

the tournament is not the conference season. simple as that. same reason KU beats their chest about 9 straight years as confernce champs, despite sharing the season title 3 times in that period, and not winning the tourney (or even the title game) 3 times in that period.

those are the RULES.

**alanm** · 03-16-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

the tournament is not the conference season. simple as that. same reason KU beats their chest about 9 straight years as confernce champs, despite sharing the season title 3 times in that period, and not winning the tourney (or even the title game) 3 times in that period.

those are the RULES.

Oh I know that the Tourney championship has no bearing on the season championship. But today was about somewhat of a rubber match game as you're going to get.

Chiefs Pantalones · 03-16-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Oh I know that the Tourney championship has no bearing on the season championship. But today was about somewhat of a rubber match game as you're going to get.

Lol they're not stupid. They know who the best team is.

**Lzen** · 03-16-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Oh I know that the Tourney championship has no bearing on the season championship. But today was about somewhat of a rubber match game as you're going to get.

Rubber match? I always thought that was when two teams were playing a third and deciding game after splitting the first two. That was obviously not the case here.

Silock · 03-16-2013, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

the tournament is not the conference season. simple as that. same reason KU beats their chest about 9 straight years as confernce champs, despite sharing the season title 3 times in that period, and not winning the tourney (or even the title game) 3 times in that period.

those are the RULES.

I get it, but those were also with an unbalanced schedule. There's a reason that rule exists. It should be abolished now.

Raiderhater · 03-16-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

I get it, but those were also with an unbalanced schedule. There's a reason that rule exists. It should be abolished now.

Here we go with the scheduling again....

Prison Bitch · 03-16-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

I get it, but those were also with an unbalanced schedule. There's a reason that rule exists. It should be abolished now.

Wrong, like usual. There are 18 games by which to decide a league champion. If two teams end up with the same record, they deserve to share the title. It really doesn't matter who won head to head (which is accounted for in seeding for the tourney already), it's total games won. They didn't lose at Waco or at Ft Worth so they share the title.

Two years ago we beat Texas by 1 game when they won the only matchup with us in Allen. We won two games they didn't. Who cares? It's about the most total wins. This year the most total wins was tied.

Silock · 03-16-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Wrong, like usual. There are 18 games by which to decide a league champion. If two teams end up with the same record, they deserve to share the title. It really doesn't matter who won head to head (which is accounted for in seeding for the tourney already), it's total games won. They didn't lose at Waco or at Ft Worth so they share the title.

Two years ago we beat Texas by 1 game when they won the only matchup with us in Allen. We won two games they didn't. Who cares? It's about the most total wins. This year the most total wins was tied.

Wrong like usual? LOL You! Haha! You ****ing guy, you!

I'd be fine with a split title if the series were split, but not when the other team gets swept. The point is to find out who is the best over a longer term. Getting swept means you weren't as good as the other team, even if you won the same amount of games.

**Lzen** · 03-16-2013, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Wrong, like usual. There are 18 games by which to decide a league champion. If two teams end up with the same record, they deserve to share the title. It really doesn't matter who won head to head (which is accounted for in seeding for the tourney already), it's total games won. They didn't lose at Waco or at Ft Worth so they share the title.

Two years ago we beat Texas by 1 game when they won the only matchup with us in Allen. We won two games they didn't. Who cares? It's about the most total wins. This year the most total wins was tied.

You obviously don't understand. Yes, there are 18 games to decide and each team plays on each others' home courts. But that was not the case until this year (or was it last year?) with all the musical chairs with teams in the Big 12 leaving and new ones coming in. Previously, there were only 16 games and 2 divisions. They played everyone in their own division twice but only once for each team in the other division.

The point is that now that every team plays every other team home and away, there should be no tie break. Previously, you could make the argument that it wasn't fair since teams didn't always play each other twice. Other sports leagues use this kind of tie break (i.e. the NFL division tie breaker). One could make the argument that they could do away with shared titles by using a tie breaker.

I'm not saying that KSU did not deserve their share. KU had their chances to win it outright and lost games they should have (Baylor, TCU). The current rules say that there is a shared title so that's where we are. No reason to argue it. And I'm not necessarily saying that I am for changing that rule. I'm just saying one could make the argument for it.

Prison Bitch · 03-16-2013, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

You obviously don't understand. Yes, there are 18 games to decide and each team plays on each others' home courts. But that was not the case until this year (or was it last year?) with all the musical chairs with teams in the Big 12 leaving and new ones coming in. Previously, there were only 16 games and 2 divisions. They played everyone in their own division twice but only once for each team in the other division.

The point is that now that every team plays every other team home and away, there should be no tie break. Previously, you could make the argument that it wasn't fair since teams didn't always play each other twice. Other sports leagues use this kind of tie break (i.e. the NFL division tie breaker). One could make the argument that they could do away with shared titles by using a tie breaker.

I'm not saying that KSU did not deserve their share. KU had their chances to win it outright and lost games they should have (Baylor, TCU). The current rules say that there is a shared title so that's where we are. No reason to argue it. And I'm not necessarily saying that I am for changing that rule. I'm just saying one could make the argument for it.

I'm sorry, but what is your point exactly here?