Chiefs So how did Belicheck do it anyway...?

InChiefsHeaven · 07-31-2019, 08:47 AM

Twice last season his defense was able to hold in the first half before either the Chiefs figured something out or the Pats D was just out of tricks...

...but how was he able to stop this offense last season when nobody else could? Twice? Once in the most important game the Chiefs had played in like over 2 decades, in our house?

Like him or hate him, Belicheck knows what he's doing and was seemingly the only one who could really stop the Chiefs for a full half (Ravens were good also, true enough).

So CP experts...how did he do it (twice...) and will Mahomes and Andy take steps to make sure he never does that shit again?

O.city · 07-31-2019, 08:50 AM

People may not wanna hear it, but a lot of those "stops" weren't necessarily what Bill did but what Mahomes didn't do.

He missed quite a bit of stuff in the first halves of those games. Was it because he was amped up or a little confused? I dunno.

But once he settled down, well, we saw what happened.

The Pats DL gave the OL some fits for sure, but for instance in the AFCCG, Mahomes left atleast 7 points on the board in the first half with an overthrow of an open RB for a TD, then took a sack to move out of FG range.

Mennonite · 07-31-2019, 08:53 AM

Cheating, of course.

RunKC · 07-31-2019, 08:58 AM

Jammed the hell out of our receivers at the LOS, had creative blitzes for DL and LB’s and kept the ball away from Pat as much as possible. We only had 3 possessions in the first half of the AFCCG. The norm is 5

**New World Order** · 07-31-2019, 09:00 AM

Rushed 5 a lot, kept contain on the edges and bracketed Tyreek

**Shaid** · 07-31-2019, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Jammed the hell out of our receivers at the LOS, had creative blitzes for DL and LB’s and kept the ball away from Pat as much as possible. We only had 3 possessions in the first half of the AFCCG. The norm is 5

Yep, play slow ball against a D they knew couldn't stop them anyways. Keep our O off the field.

Amnorix · 07-31-2019, 09:02 AM

1. Long, slow, methodical offensive possessions which (1) limited the Chiefs opportunities, and (2) inhibited the Chiefs ability to get into an offensive rhythm.

2. Rotating extra coverage onto Hill and Kelce to ensure that the Chiefs' primary weapons dont' beat them.

3. Man-to-man coverage, and being good enough at it, that the secondary receiving options don't kill you.

4. Controlled pass rush to squeeze the pocket, putting some pressure on Mahomes WITHOUT allowing him to get wide and create plays given that he is ridiculously dangerous when he extends plays and starts freelancing. Less focus on sacks and more focus on keeping him bottled up.

5. Win the battle at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, allowing the Patriots to maintain time of possession (48 runs, 176 yards), while forcing the Chiefs to pass, pass and pass some more (12 runs, 41 yards), and not allow the running game to create momentum for them.

It's a formula that is ridiculously hard to pull off.

saphojunkie · 07-31-2019, 09:12 AM

One thing that's nice? Daly can explain EXACTLY what they did to slow him down.

Another reason why the defensive coaching hires are the biggest move of the offseason.

Sorce · 07-31-2019, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Held our receivers at the LOS, had creative blitzes for DL and LB’s and kept the ball away from Pat as much as possible. We only had 3 possessions in the first half of the AFCCG. The norm is 5

FTFY

-King- · 07-31-2019, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

People may not wanna hear it, but a lot of those "stops" weren't necessarily what Bill did but what Mahomes didn't do.

He missed quite a bit of stuff in the first halves of those games. Was it because he was amped up or a little confused? I dunno.

But once he settled down, well, we saw what happened.

The Pats DL gave the OL some fits for sure, but for instance in the AFCCG, Mahomes left atleast 7 points on the board in the first half with an overthrow of an open RB for a TD, then took a sack to move out of FG range.

Yeah this. Mahomes missed some easy completions and touchdowns in the first halves of both games. If we can get him started just a little bit sooner, we win both games going away IMO. Most of his slow starts came in primetime games so I bet having a year of experience under his belt will help him settle in faster this year.

Pitt Gorilla · 07-31-2019, 09:20 AM

Held the receivers. Period.

Amnorix · 07-31-2019, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Held the receivers. Period.

So the Patriots stopped holding them in the second half?

**ptlyon** · 07-31-2019, 09:24 AM

We wouldn't be having this discussion if Dee Ford wasn't OFFSIDES

Sorce · 07-31-2019, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Held the receivers. Period.

They showed highlights of this brilliant game plan of using a linebacker to ~~jam~~ hold Kelce. If I remember correctly they got called for it either late first half or after half and stopped it. I wonder why we started scoring after half...

Sorce · 07-31-2019, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

So the Patriots stopped holding them in the second half?

Yep

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