Let's talk WRs

[OldSchool]

Who's your top ranked receiver right now?

For me, the most pro-ready and best all around prospect at WR is Amari Cooper. He would come in and immediately start across from Bowe and eventually replace him as the primary WR.

What's wrong with Sammy Coates?

The guy has all of the tools in the world, I would equate him to Vernon Davis but at the WR position, but he hasn't produced much at all this season. Coates isn't even close to being his team's leading receiver so I'm not going to blame it on the scheme. Physically, Coates looks like a top 10 pick but his production is that of a mid to late rounder. Where would you take him?

Any thoughts on Coates' teammate, D'haquille Williams?

There is a massive difference in production between he and Sammy Coates so far this year; yes, this could be entirely due to Coates being injured from the Arkansas game but Coates only caught one pass in that game and dropped a possible TD pass despite playing 52 snaps against the Razorbacks. Williams is a JUCO transfer with good size, speed, and explosiveness, though not on the same level as Coates as far as pure physical ability goes. Is he a potential #1 WR or just a 2 at best?

Does DGB declare? If so, do you even dare to touch him given his off-field issues?

Despite not playing this season, I think that there is a real possibility that DGB does declare for the 2015 NFL draft; he just doesn't seem like the type of person who would be willing to go through another year of college over getting paid as a pro athlete. If he does declare, what round would you be willing to take a risk on him? The guy has had problems with at least two key NFL issues, abuse of women and weed. DGB has top 5 talent but an off-field reputation that would have him banned from the league if he had committed those acts as a Pro.

Do Jaelen Strong, Kevin White, or Devante Parker have enough speed to be potential #1 WRs? If not, are their other gifts good enough for them to be close to what Larry Fitzgerald has been in the league?

Is Stefon Diggs actually that fast? When I watch him, I don't see the same dimension of speed that guys like Jackson, Wallace, etc have. I'll be very curious to see what he actually runs at the Combine.

Who are you guys keeping your eyes on this year at the WR position?

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you draft shitty, what's it matter?

maybe if that's the case, improve your drafting?

There is more statistical evidence to suggest that Teams might have a string of luck with the draft but for the most part no one "drafts better" than anyone else.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

You're right, it does take two to tango. Sometimes you can't trade out of a pick, that doesn't mean that you wouldn't have been better off if you could.

You keep pointing out to context vs stats. Stats suggest that no GM is smart enough to pick out the context. Example Eli Manning. Context at the time said he was the next Peyton. He's a solid QB, but certainly not Peyton. Now look at what he was traded for:

Philip Rivers, Shawne Merriman and Nate Kaeding.

No question in my mind that SD came out ahead with this deal. Manning might be slightly better than Rivers...might...but the rest of the trade goes to SD.

Instead of trading up the Giants could have stayed put and gotten Big Ben.

If you look at every trade ever made in the 1st round in the history of the NFL you will find that the majority of the "winners" were the ones trading down.

That nullifies the value of the GM's smarts.

You're talking about trading up vs trading down.

It's also about expected value of a draft pick. If you're expecting any qb you drsft to be manning, it's probably going to fail.

In the end, while there is alot of sense to it, there are to many variables that factor in to these situations and whether a draft pick becomes x or y, that isn't simply up to the player. Situation, philosphy, parts around him, offensive coordinator etc.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

There is more statistical evidence to suggest that Teams might have a string of luck with the draft but for the most part no one "drafts better" than anyone else.

What's being used to determine "better" though?

At the time of the draft, these guys don't have hindsight to determine anything.

So, better, meaning performance Of draftee? Amount of years of service?

[O.city]

Eli Manning for instance.

The stats say yes, dumb trade.

But, they got a franchise qb and 2 super bowl wind, largely because of that trade.

So, in the end, again, depends how we determine better.

[Jakemall]

My point is, for every "good" trade you can find...historically I'll find more "bad" trades.

I don't know how they're defining "better" but I'm pretty sure they found a valid value or this would all be nonsense and not even a discussion.

I'd argue that they would have gotten the superbowls wins with Big ben and whatever other picks they saved because of it. They won their 2 bowls with defense and just enough offense to make it go.

[Dante84]

Getting rid of Bowe means we have to go heavy at WR... Right??

[Nightfyre]

It would really help if we could get even a third round pick for Bowe.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

It would really help if we could get even a third round pick for Bowe.

That's not going to happen. Andre Johnson is rumored to be available for a 5th or 6th, and Brandon Marshall is available for a 3rd or 4th. I'd take either of those guys over Bowe any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. All three will be cut and make it to the open market.

[OldSchool]

We should draft at least 2 Wrs in this draft, IMO, it's really strong at that position.

Trade up for Parker or just take Jaelen Strong in the 1st

Draft Agholor/Dorsett in the 2nd or Tre McBride in the 3rd

Dres Anderson in the 5th

Etc, etc. There are lots of WRs in this draft who will be, at the very least, solid #2-3 WRs.

[OldSchool]

High praise much?

West Virginia WR Kevin White reminds Sports Illustrated's Doug Farrar of Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald.
"White's college tape ... showed over and over that while he doesn't yet run a full route tree, he's got the speed to beat defenders downfield, the vertical ability to make contested catches and should be a real threat in the NFL," Farrar wrote. "Still, some questioned White's separation ability, and whether he was a true No. 1 receiver ... or simply a guy who benefited from West Virginia's wide-open offense. One 4.35 40-yard dash later, and after he looked spectacular in the receiver drills, White showed me that he's more route-savvy and quicker in short spaces than I imagined." The analyst believes White could be a top-five pick. White is the No. 1 WR on a host of analyst's lists, including Rotoworld's Josh Norris and NFL Media analysts Charles Davis, Mike Mayock and Daniel Jeremiah. Feb 26 - 11:21 PM

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

We should draft at least 2 Wrs in this draft, IMO, it's really strong at that position.

Trade up for Parker or just take Jaelen Strong in the 1st

Draft Agholor/Dorsett in the 2nd or Tre McBride in the 3rd

Dres Anderson in the 5th

Etc, etc. There are lots of WRs in this draft who will be, at the very least, solid #2-3 WRs.

With Rogers on the roster KC will most likely look for a number#1 WR and then KC will focus on the OL.

[planetdoc]

Dorsey pretty much gives away his secret to what he is looking for in a wr
http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...-wide-receiver

Dorsey said the Chiefs didn't pursue any of the other top tier free-agent wide receivers and wouldn't have even had they missed on Maclin...

"The other ones who were close to him had different types of physical traits that didn't truly fit this system," Dorsey said. "What I wanted to do is give Andy as good of pieces to fit his system as I possibly could. So then you have somebody like Jeremy who's young and a fabulous route runner.

"It's a perfect fit. The position coach, the offensive coordinator, the head coach speak of his person. That's one of the pieces of the puzzle. And then he has the physical skills to match the stuff the coaches talked about. He's an exceptional route runner ... he can play multiple positions.

this is why I dont see a guy like DGB becoming a chief.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profil...ham?id=2552491

Struggles to free himself from press coverage and can be taken completely out of his routes. Runs sloppy, rounded routes. Fails to set up his breaks and frequently leads cornerbacks to his destination.

what about Jaelen Strong?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profil...ong?id=2552463

Routes need improvement. Forced to make a substantial amount of contested throws. Corners don't fear his speed and are able to sit on underneath throws.

who would you consider to be the best route runners in the draft?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...15-senior-bowl

But the best route-runner of the bunch, according to Jeremiah, was one less heard of: East Carolina's Justin Hardy.

Amari Cooper, phillip dorsett, nelson aghor, devante parker, rashad greene, tony lippett, tre'mcrbide are the other guys in the draft who have '+' route running.

[royalschiefs]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

Amari Cooper, phillip dorsett, nelson aghor, devante parker, rashad greene, tony lippett, tre'mcrbide are the other guys in the draft who have '+' route running.

Add Tyler Lockett to that mix too.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by royalschiefs

Add Tyler Lockett to that mix too.

I guess so. I'm not thrilled with Lockett's small hands, but they are bigger then Deanthony thomas who Dorsey selected.

[OldSchool]

Any Jaelen Strong fans, here is a kid who is almost the same prospect, IMO. Dezmin Lewis. Can probably be had in the 3rd/4th.