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Old 04-14-2017, 07:49 PM  
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****Official 2017 NBA Playoffs Thread****
The real season begins.

Round 1:

EAST:

#8 Bulls @ #1 Celtics
#7 Pacers @ #2 Cavs
#6 Bucks @ #3 Raptors
#5 Hawks @ #4 Wizards

WEST:
#8 Blazers @ #1 Warriors
#7 Grizzlies @ #2 Spurs
#6 Thunder @ #3 Rockets
#5 Jazz @ #4 Clippers
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:50 PM   #2431
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LeBron didn't join a made team. He didn't join a 73 win team, and he didn't join the team that eliminated him from the playoffs. Yeah, he went to a team that had some advantages, but what are the Cavs or Heat w/o LeBron? Borderline playoff teams. The Warriors w/o Durant won a title and then won 73 the next year.

I know people get off on hating LeBron, but he just averaged 34-12-11 while shooting the highest percentage of any regular and he was his teams' best defender.

He's still the best player in the world. By far. Just like Jordan was the best player in the world in 1988.
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:54 PM   #2432
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JR Smith, Shumpert, Richard Jefferson, Deron Williams, Korver, Frye aren't homegrown. There are only 3 Cavs (Lebron, Kyrie, and Tristan) who are homegrown unless you count the scrubs.
Those are scrubs. There not all star players. Thompson, Curry, Green and Durant are all all star players but are homegrown except Durant. Cavs have 3 all stars and are homegrown except Love
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:55 PM   #2433
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he was his teams' best defender.


Got his ass kicked by the Finals MVP.

Great defensive performance for sure.
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:57 PM   #2434
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Got his ass kicked by the Finals MVP.

Great defensive performance for sure.
Do you really think that Kevin Durant is more valuable to his team than LeBron James?
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Old 06-12-2017, 11:05 PM   #2435
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Do you really think that Kevin Durant is more valuable to his team than LeBron James?
Of course not.

That doesn't mean LeBron James bears no responsibility for his Finals failures.
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Old 06-12-2017, 11:08 PM   #2436
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The Cavs made those changes middle of last year. Lue said he wanted the team to sprint. He traded for Channing Frye last year. He traded for Kyle Korver this year. I don't understand the strategy whatsoever. He wanted a team that could outgun Golden State. The team was a much better match for Golden State when they wanted to slow them down and frustrate the hell out of them. And all for nothing. Korver and Frye were horrendous this series.

And it doesn't explain the laziness in transition. That's just poor coaching. I don't know how many points were scored drifting in transition, how many GS offensive boards were on lazy box outs, and how many Warriors scored because the Cavs played lazy in the paint. These aren't things we saw when signature role players were guys like Delly. Where was that?
I was talking about adding Korver, Williams, Bogut etc. Those moves were made this year especially Korver because of Durant.
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Of course not.

That doesn't mean LeBron James bears no responsibility for his Finals failures.
How did he fail in this case?
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Old 06-12-2017, 11:12 PM   #2438
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LeBron didn't join a made team. He didn't join a 73 win team, and he didn't join the team that eliminated him from the playoffs. Yeah, he went to a team that had some advantages, but what are the Cavs or Heat w/o LeBron? Borderline playoff teams. The Warriors w/o Durant won a title and then won 73 the next year.

I know people get off on hating LeBron, but he just averaged 34-12-11 while shooting the highest percentage of any regular and he was his teams' best defender.

He's still the best player in the world. By far. Just like Jordan was the best player in the world in 1988.
It is nonsense to sit up there and say he never played for a super team. I think he forgot about sitting up on the Heat stage saying they were going to win 7 championships.
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Old 06-12-2017, 11:16 PM   #2439
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I was talking about adding Korver, Williams, Bogut etc. Those moves were made this year especially Korver because of Durant.
The Korver move is consistent with Lue's run & gun philosophy which he pushed for last year. It is a Channing Frye move. Lousy defenders who space the floor. Lue specifically commented after he was hired that he wanted to make the Cavs play with a lot more pace.

Williams, Williams, and Bogut were brought in because the Cavs depth was lousy and the Cavs were struggling to compete not just with Golden State, but with anybody. I don't take much stock in those moves because they brought in whomever they could afford. The Cavs team is representative of Lue's philosophy. Zack Lowe wrote a terrific piece on the Cavs earlier today and he's right -- the Cavs play better when they slow the pace down. And I don't understand how playing in a sprint was considered the best way to beat Durant.
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Old 06-12-2017, 11:25 PM   #2440
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How did he fail in this case?
Did you not witness his team's complete inability to stop Golden State's offense or their best player?

For a guy with a reputation as an elite defender it was a miserable failure. The only game they won was due to an all-time great offensive performance.

LeBron is supposed to be a basketball mastermind, and exists as the de facto GM, HC and Superstar for his own team. His entire strategy for beating the Warriors, from player acquisition to gameplan to execution was WRONG. Throw in an epic fourth quarter choke job that would have had the series at 3-2 right now, and it was definitely a failure.

Remind me how the greatest offense in NFL history was beaten in the 2001 Super Bowl. It sure wasn't because someone tried to outscore them.

As I've been saying for weeks now...LeBron has been hoisted by his own petard. If he had swallowed his ego in Miami he could have had the career he and all his dickriders wanted so badly. Instead he's going to go down as the biggest Finals loser in NBA history.
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LeBron had an unbelievable series. He's going to continue to deny it, but I actually do think he looked tired at times tonight. Just lapses where he got beat and didn't hustle. Dude's been in the Finals 7 straight years. That's an amazing achievement. He's logged way more minutes than anyone else though. I don't know how you offset that.
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LeBron didn't join a made team. He didn't join a 73 win team, and he didn't join the team that eliminated him from the playoffs. Yeah, he went to a team that had some advantages, but what are the Cavs or Heat w/o LeBron? Borderline playoff teams. The Warriors w/o Durant won a title and then won 73 the next year.

I know people get off on hating LeBron, but he just averaged 34-12-11 while shooting the highest percentage of any regular and he was his teams' best defender.

He's still the best player in the world. By far. Just like Jordan was the best player in the world in 1988.
The heat was a 47 win playoff team before lebron, Bosh, or Ray Allen. It's not like he joined some scrub team. He joined a team with a hall of famer already. He was also joined a 5x all star and another hall of famer.

Him joining the Heat with those players is just as bad as Durant joining the warriors.
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I actually don't know if it's as bad as what Durant did. Durant joined a 73 win team. There might not be another comparison in sports. It'd be like Marvin Harrison joining the 16-0 Patriots.

LeBron did join up with a couple other guys, but what was bad about that was he made it into a big ESPN spectacle and turned his back on his hometown. To me, leaving wasn't as big deal as the way he did it.
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James is a beast. Top 5, I would still take a couple ahead of him all time, but he's earned his seat at the table. He'll never be GOAT.
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I actually don't know if it's as bad as what Durant did. Durant joined a 73 win team. There might not be another comparison in sports. It'd be like Marvin Harrison joining the 16-0 Patriots.

LeBron did join up with a couple other guys, but what was bad about that was he made it into a big ESPN spectacle and turned his back on his hometown. To me, leaving wasn't as big deal as the way he did it.
What he did was still bad and shouldn't be celebrated, but Durant def. trumped what he did. I stil lcannot believe James did that tv special.. how egotistical was that.
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