Jayson Oweh, Penn State

kccrow · 02-14-2021, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I can’t wait to bump this thread when he inevitably goes in the 1st or very early in the 2nd.

Again, it doesn’t matter whether it’s DJ, Zierlein, Brugler, the guys at TDN, they ALL have him as a 1st rounder.

It doesn't matter if he goes in the 1st or if he's rated by the media draftniks in the 1st. What really will be key is his career trajectory. I think he'd be alot better off if a team running a 3-4 drafts him as an OLB than he will be a 4-3 team at DE in terms of immediate impact.

Nobody is arguing he doesn't have the physical merits to become a good player, or at least I'm not. I just don't think he's a guy you take in round 1. You brought up Willie Gay and he's a phenomenal example of a guy you take later than round 1. IF Gay's on-field game (and availability) was on par with his physical abilities, he would have been a top 20 pick. He went 63rd. Veach banked on coaching that athletic ability up and he did it without spending a 1st. I look at Oweh the same way.

At some point I might release my DE analysis for Direkshun, but I can tell you where I'd have guys on my board in terms of talent, projection, and scheme fit:

1. Gregory Rousseau, Miami (6'6" 260)
2. Kwity Paye, Michigan (6'4" 277)
3. Ronnie Perkins, Oklahoma (6'3' 255)
4. Joe Tryon, Washington (6'5" 262)
5. Joseph Ossai, Texas (6'4" 250)
6. Jaelen Phillips, Miami (6'5" 260)*
7. Jayson Oweh, Penn State (6'5" 260)
8. Elerson Smith, Northern Iowa (6'6" 250)
9. Patrick Jones II, Pitt (6'5" 260)
10. Carlos Basham, Jr., Wake Forest (6'5" 285)
11. Rashad Weaver, Pitt (6'5" 270)
12. Dayo Odeyingbo, Vanderbilt (6'5" 279)
13. Daelin Hayes, Notre Dame (6'4" 268)
14. Jordan Smith, UAB (6'6" 255)
15. Jonathon Cooper, Ohio State (6'3" 255)

Notable omissions as guys I see as 3-4 OLB only: Azeez Ojulari, Georgia (6'3" 240), Zaven Collins (6'4' 250), Quincy Roche, Miami (6'3" 240), Shaka Toney, Penn State (6'3" 235), Hamilcar Rashed, Oregon State (6'4" 240), Chris Rumph, Duke (6'3" 235)
*#3 if not for Concussion history

staylor26 · 02-14-2021, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

It doesn't matter if he goes in the 1st or if he's rated by the media draftniks in the 1st. What really will be key is his career trajectory. I think he'd be alot better off if a team running a 3-4 drafts him as an OLB than he will be a 4-3 team at DE in terms of immediate impact.

Nobody is arguing he doesn't have the physical merits to become a good player, or at least I'm not. I just don't think he's a guy you take in round 1. You brought up Willie Gay and he's a phenomenal example of a guy you take later than round 1. IF Gay's on-field game (and availability) was on par with his physical abilities, he would have been a top 20 pick. He went 63rd. Veach banked on coaching that athletic ability up and he did it without spending a 1st. I look at Oweh the same way.

At some point I might release my DE analysis for Direkshun, but I can tell you where I'd have guys on my board in terms of talent, projection, and scheme fit:

1. Gregory Rousseau, Miami (6'6" 260)
2. Kwity Paye, Michigan (6'4" 277)
3. Ronnie Perkins, Oklahoma (6'3' 255)
4. Joe Tryon, Washington (6'5" 262)
5. Joseph Assai, Texas (6'4" 250)
6. Jaelen Phillips, Miami (6'5" 260)*
7. Jayson Oweh, Penn State (6'5" 260)
8. Elerson Smith, Northern Iowa (6'6" 250)
9. Patrick Jones II, Pitt (6'5" 260)
10. Carlos Basham, Jr., Wake Forest (6'5" 285)
11. Rashad Weaver, Pitt (6'5" 270)
12. Dayo Odeyingbo, Vanderbilt (6'5" 279)
13. Daelin Hayes, Notre Dame (6'4" 268)
14. Jordan Smith, UAB (6'6" 255)
15. Jonathon Cooper, Ohio State (6'3" 255)

Notable omissions as guys I see as 3-4 OLB only: Azeez Ojulari, Georgia (6'3" 240), Quincy Roche, Miami (6'3" 240), Shaka Toney, Penn State (6'3" 235), Hamilcar Rashed, Oregon State (6'4" 240), Chris Rumph, Duke (6'3" 235)
*#3 if not for Concussion history

Oweh has been a consensus late 1st to earl 2nd from the beginning of the process while Gay went from a mid rounder to a 2nd. There’s a huge difference there between the 2.

kccrow · 02-14-2021, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Oweh has been a consensus late 1st to earl 2nd from the beginning of the process while Gay went from a mid rounder to a 2nd. There’s a huge difference there between the 2.

I've seen Oweh all over the board and moved up and down. Some of the boards that put him on their big board in the top 32 players don't even have him in mocks in round 1.

If you want to pin your hopes to one of the least developed players in a deep class of pass rushers, that's up to you. I love the athletic traits, but I'll take the guy with the same traits and better on-field production all the time. If the Chiefs take him, I'll support it. I don't hate the player, I just think there are a few better prospects out there than him.

Give me Ronnie Perkins, who had 23 tackles, 46 QB pressures, 19 hurries, and 5.5 sacks in 6 games this year.