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Old 01-09-2019, 11:52 AM   #1
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Probably a solid hire. Should help them with the annual competition for second place in AFC West.
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Old 01-09-2019, 11:54 AM   #2
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Was hoping they'd hire Munchak. Whatever, Fangio isn't winning shit w/o a QB and he has no experience developing one either. They'll be mediocre for a few seasons and then on to the next one.
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Old 01-09-2019, 11:59 AM   #3
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Old 01-09-2019, 12:13 PM   #4
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Old 01-09-2019, 02:17 PM   #5
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I'm sure Gregg Williams is thrilled!
It says he is no longer with the team. Hmmm.
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Old 01-09-2019, 12:33 PM   #6
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Old 01-09-2019, 12:41 PM   #7
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Elway continues to compete for Worst GM Over The Last 5 Years.

This is a ridiculous hire, IMO. Maybe he's trying to make Von feel better about the future.

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Old 01-09-2019, 03:31 PM   #8
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This is a ridiculous hire, IMO. Maybe he's trying to make Von feel better about the future.

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How is this a ridiculous hire?

I think Fangio's a great coach. The only thing that's ridiculous is if Elway rolls into next season fully committed to Keenum without drafting a QB.
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Old 01-09-2019, 03:46 PM   #9
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The only QB's Kubiak has won a Super Bowl with is Steve Young, John Elway, and Peyton Manning.

He didn't draft or develop a single one of those QB's. Unless the Broncos stumble upon another elite franchise QB who their original franchise didn't sign then this hire isn't going anywhere.
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Old 01-09-2019, 03:51 PM   #10
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How is this a ridiculous hire?

I think Fangio's a great coach. The only thing that's ridiculous is if Elway rolls into next season fully committed to Keenum without drafting a QB.
Who is going to groom a QB if they do draft one? Vic? Kubiak? Exactly.
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Old 01-09-2019, 03:53 PM   #11
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How is this a ridiculous hire?

I think Fangio's a great coach. The only thing that's ridiculous is if Elway rolls into next season fully committed to Keenum without drafting a QB.
I'm still curious about why it took this long. Either GMs were nervous about something. Or GMs were too blind to see an obvious diamond staring them right in the face for decades. Feels like a red flag to me. But we'll see.
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Old 01-09-2019, 03:57 PM   #12
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The only QB's Kubiak has won a Super Bowl with is Steve Young, John Elway, and Peyton Manning.

He didn't draft or develop a single one of those QB's. Unless the Broncos stumble upon another elite franchise QB who their original franchise didn't sign then this hire isn't going anywhere.
I'm all for stumbling upon another great... Denver has been to 8 SBs, won 3 of them and none of those appearances were led by a QB they drafted.

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I'm still curious about why it took this long. Either GMs were nervous about something. Or GMs were too blind to see an obvious diamond staring them right in the face for decades. Feels like a red flag to me. But we'll see.
Dunno. Some guys pay end up getting tagged as a "great coordinator" thanks to the sins of hires like Wade and others into the HC ranks. Owners fear repeating the mistake, so some pay the price without getting the chance.

Fangio by all accounts seems like a great guy, solid resume - is he a HC? We'll find out.
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Old 01-09-2019, 04:08 PM   #13
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How is this a ridiculous hire?

I think Fangio's a great coach. The only thing that's ridiculous is if Elway rolls into next season fully committed to Keenum without drafting a QB.
No HC experience at any level (as far as I know). Defensive specialist (in a league that emphasizes and encourages offense). Zero quantifiable or proven ability to develop QBs (or WRs or RBs or TEs).

He's had good defenses from time to time, to be sure ... when he had superior players. But so did Goonther ... when he had superior players.

It's a head-scratching hire at best. Unless (as I mentioned), Elway is trying to placate his defensive vets (and their moms) who have vocalized their frustration with the team's direction.

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No HC experience at any level (as far as I know). Defensive specialist (in a league that emphasizes and encourages offense). Zero quantifiable or proven ability to develop QBs (or WRs or RBs or TEs).

He's had good defenses from time to time, to be sure ... when he had superior players. But so did Goonther ... when he had superior players.

It's a head-scratching hire at best. Unless (as I mentioned), Elway is trying to placate his defensive vets (and their moms) who have vocalized their frustration with the team's direction.

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One of his funnest defenses to watch was when he had patrick willis and justin smith...bad hire.
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