Netflix: Making a Murderer

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I don't know if anyone mentioned it but the reason there looks like a small needle went into the cap of the tube of blood is because when you draw blood a small needle is on the end of the tubing for the needle that goes into the tube. Also I have seen a few time when quite a bit of blood gets pooled on the outside of the cap. Maybe they used that blood to plant the evidence and if the did there wouldn't be any EDTA in the swabs.

I'm almost certain the EDTA test was more FBI junk science.

[Graystoke]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I don't know if anyone mentioned it but the reason there looks like a small needle went into the cap of the tube of blood is because when you draw blood a small needle is on the end of the tubing for the needle that goes into the tube. Also I have seen a few time when quite a bit of blood gets pooled on the outside of the cap. Maybe they used that blood to plant the evidence and if the did there wouldn't be any EDTA in the swabs.

I don't understand what you are saying. EDTA is an anticoagulant. The minute it hits the test tube, the sample becomes homogenous. So why wouldn't there be any EDTA on the swabs?

And for that purple cap (EDTA) to have a hole through the top is very indicative of a draw down, unless of course they have a chain of custody to prove there was a lab draw down.

[BigRichard]

Originally Posted by Graystoke

I don't understand what you are saying. EDTA is an anticoagulant. The minute it hits the test tube, the sample becomes homogenous. So why wouldn't there be any EDTA on the swabs?

And for that purple cap (EDTA) to have a hole through the top is very indicative of a draw down, unless of course they have a chain of custody to prove there was a lab draw down.

The needle hole is not suspicious in my mind, the fact the evidence tape had been opened is to me though.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by BigRichard

The needle hole is not suspicious in my mind, the fact the evidence tape had been opened is to me though.

In the documentary it said that the lab did not stick needles through the cap. I would assume they just remove the cap then for draws. Coupled with the clearly broken evidence tape, there's some 'splainin' to do.

[Graystoke]

Originally Posted by Swanman

In the documentary it said that the lab did not stick needles through the cap. I would assume they just remove the cap then for draws. Coupled with the clearly broken evidence tape, there's some 'splainin' to do.

The broken evidence tape is huge. It is common for labs to not open the cap and instead draw out of the tube. In fact many laboratory instruments do this. But again there would be lab chain of custody, why they drew out of said test tube, and testing parameters to back this.

[Chiefnj2]

According to Jessica McBride at OnMilwaukee, a nurse “who originally drew Steven Avery’s blood and put it into the vial” was originally scheduled to appear at the Avery trial to testify that she had put the hole in the rubber stopper when she originally put the blood in the vial. In fact, it was very common for these vials to have needle holes because that’s how the blood was added into the vials.
Furthermore, two national experts - including the chair of the committee that writes the industry standards on drawing blood samples - told OnMilwaukee that such blood vials are supposed to have holes pierced in their rubber stoppers. According to the experts, that’s how the blood gets into the vial.
Not only is it not uncommon, but it’s the way the vials - in this case, according to court records, a purple-stopped Vacutainer - are supposed to work.
Moreover, an expert “said that the only way such a blood vial would not have a hole is if the medical professional violated standards and did not properly insert the blood in the tube and instead just ‘dumped it in there.’”
The prosecution ultimately didn’t call the nurse because they felt it was unnecessary, that they had a strong enough case without her (the nurse has since passed away).
And what about the broken seal? That can be explained, too.
A review of court records in the case shows that the court was told by the defense that then Manitowoc County DA E. James Fitzgerald and members of Avery’s defense team met and opened packages of evidence in the 1985 court file with the court’s approval to determine what to send out for additional tests. On June 19, 2002 at 12:25 p.m., Fitzgerald opened the box with the blood vial in it and closed it again two minutes later. It was believed the evidence tape seal was broken at that time, the court records say.
In other words, the blood vial wasn’t as big a smoking gun as depicted in the documentary, and there’s some question about whether the blood needed to be tested for EDTA at all, if evidence that it had been tampered with could so easily be explained away.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Graystoke

I don't understand what you are saying. EDTA is an anticoagulant. The minute it hits the test tube, the sample becomes homogenous. So why wouldn't there be any EDTA on the swabs?

And for that purple cap (EDTA) to have a hole through the top is very indicative of a draw down, unless of course they have a chain of custody to prove there was a lab draw down.

When you draw blood there is a needle that goes inside the cap and that is the reason it looks like a needle had been put in that tube. Sometime when you pull the tube off of that small needle that goes in the cap of the tube it will leave blood on the outside of the the tube and kind of pool on the top of the cap.

[GloucesterChief]

Central Park Five is also on Netflix. It is a good documentary as well.

[RustShack]

The girls brother was such a douche. Crazy he works for the Packers.

[Lprechaun]

The EDTA test is so inconclusive the FBI doesn't even use it. They were persuaded to test for it in this case. While it should show up the typical amount of sample blood taken from the tube would actually read so low on the scale of existence that it shows up as none.
It's like .001 of a milliliter. The relative values of it even in blood that it is KNOWN to be in comes back undetected because of how little is used.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Dassey should get a new trial. His representation appeared to be impartial at best.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Dassey should get a new trial. His representation appeared to be impartial at best.

His lawyer should be disbarred.

[GloucesterChief]

[Demonpenz]

Brandon reminds me of when I worked at the chiefs season ticket office.

"Do you like swing passes?"
"Yeah"
"What about Game managers"
"yeah"
"How's about The chiefs kingdom"
"Yeah"

[carlos3652]

Please tell me someone went to: http://coldcasecameron.com/

Tell me that Edwards Edwards living an hour away from the Avery place when this happened is coincidence....