Captain Marvel

[Gravedigger]

Sometimes you have to take away the toy from the child.

[Chiefspants]

Chris Evans is even more political than Brie Larson, but no one cares because he slays it as Cap.

Marvel has earned a shot to do the same with Larson here.

[007]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Chris Evans is even more political than Brie Larson, but no one cares because he slays it as Cap.

Marvel has earned a shot to do the same with Larson here.

Really? I've never heard anything. Probably because he is a guy so the media doesn't promote it as much.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by 007

Really? I've never heard anything. Probably because he is a guy so the media doesn't promote it as much.

I've seen very little criticism of Larson in traditional media. It's been in the world of social media and blogs where people have been critical (or praising depending on the place) from what I've seen.

[007]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I've seen very little criticism of Larson in traditional media. It's been in the world of social media and blogs where people have been critical (or praising depending on the place) from what I've seen.

I shouldn't have used the term media. Just have not heard anything about Chris Evans until that comment.

[Setsuna]

Captain Marvel might do decently but it won't do well. IMO.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

Captain Marvel might do decently but it won't do well. IMO.

Like Star Wars: A Solo Story if you piss off a quarter or more of your general audience you'll make less at the box office.

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Like Star Wars: A Solo Story if you piss off a quarter or more of your general audience you'll make less at the box office.

Right. But Solo was the sacrificial lamb as recompense for Episode 8. This movie seems to just be genuinely disliked because the lead actress is using it as a political platform. Also trolling happens on the internet consistently, but I don't think it happens in such a widespread manner as people might think. I'd suspect about 70% of those "want to see" ratings are genuine and the other 30% are trolls for and against the movie. It was overwhelmingly negative. If it's so easy to downvote then wouldn't it be just as easy to upvote and cancel it out? It goes both ways. Just my $0.02

[Chiefspants]

He’s outspokenly liberal on Twitter. There’s just not a lot of articles about it.

He was very active in the 2016 election, and said he was “embarrassed for America” after Trump won. I didn’t mean to cause such a stir, but I honestly think just as much could be written about Chris Evans’ positions as Brie Larsons.

[007]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

He’s outspokenly liberal on Twitter. There’s just not a lot of articles about it.

He was very active in the 2016 election, and said he was “embarrassed for America” after Trump won. I didn’t mean to cause such a stir, but I honestly think just as much could be written about Chris Evans’ positions as Brie Larsons.

Well, it sounds like he didn't do this stuff while promoting a movie. Also sounds like he addressed it a little more professionally. I don't really do twitter so if thats the only place he expresses himself, I'd never know.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by 007

Well, it sounds like he didn't do this stuff while promoting a movie. Also sounds like he addressed it a little more professionally. I don't really do twitter so if thats the only place he expresses himself, I'd never know.

I'll concede the movie stuff (it's possible he's said things like "Cap would be against X", but I'm too lazy to look it up), but "professional" isn't the word I'd use to describe some of Evans' political discourse.

I’m beginning to think the movie Human Centipede was more prescient than it was given credit for in foreshadowing the Putin, Trump, Stephen Miller garbage train.

— Chris Evans (@ChrisEvans) January 7, 2018

It’s ‘counsel’, Biff. The word is ‘counsel’.

I was trying to comprehend how in the world a man, even as moronic as you, can misspell a word he probably reads fifty times a day. But then it dawned on me, you probably only HEAR the word.

You don’t read shit.

And we all know it. https://t.co/7zZGZRZtkF

— Chris Evans (@ChrisEvans) August 20, 2018

This moron, puppet, coward sided with Putin over our own intelligence agencies! On a world stage!! BASED ON NOTHING MORE THAN PUTIN’S WORD! Why?? Can ANYONE answer that?? What the hell is happening. Politics aside, this is 100% un-American. Where are you @GOP????

— Chris Evans (@ChrisEvans) July 16, 2018

Your defense is that he’s too uneducated to have made this offensive remark?

Also, can you imagine if another president admitted to not knowing what the Trail of Tears was?

By your logic, his ignorance has become normalized/expected

Lastly, then why did he capitalize ‘trail’?? https://t.co/VRaD2z2zMc

— Chris Evans (@ChrisEvans) February 11, 2019

I'll quit cluttering the thread. My position is that a lot of the criticism over Larson is that she's "too outspoken", but many of the actors in the Marvel Universe are very outspoken (some even moreso). However, it's never impacted the or diminished the product on the screen. In my opinion, that's why CM deserves a proper chance.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I'll quit cluttering the thread. My position is that a lot of the criticism over Larson is that she's "too outspoken", but many of the actors in the Marvel Universe are very outspoken (some even moreso). However, it's never impacted the or diminished the product on the screen. In my opinion, that's why CM deserves a proper chance.

There are two big differences:

1) People have a right to their opinions. I don't care about my plumber's, doctor's, or mailman's political beliefs. I don't have to agree with someone to appreciate their talents. And to this point his opinions have not been infused into his performances. He might feel strongly about his opinions but to this point he hasn't felt the need to put it in his MCU work.

2) Bris has made both sexist and racist comments. Repeatedly. And she has marketed this film as a feminist commentary. Marvel and Disney have been very strict on the marketing of these films and if she wasn't reflecting their vision for the film they would have shut her down.

They didn't.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

He’s outspokenly liberal on Twitter. There’s just not a lot of articles about it.

He was very active in the 2016 election, and said he was “embarrassed for America” after Trump won. I didn’t mean to cause such a stir, but I honestly think just as much could be written about Chris Evans’ positions as Brie Larsons.

That's fair.

I think it's also a fair point Guru made about being vocal about politics/SJW shit while promoting a movie.

From my perspective, I just don't get trying to be a loud voice anywhere. I have a business that doesn't even rely that heavily on customers, but as a representation of my business (my brand, to put it into today's horseshit jargon), I am CONSTANTLY aware of what I say or how my shit looks and how it could be interpreted by a potential landlord or customer. As such, I just completely ****ing avoid anything that could piss people off or drive them away, ESPECIALLY if it has nothing to do with my business.

I don't talk politics, or any of the crazy shit that is going on with Smollet, Trump, religion, or any of the other controversial crap that is going on at the moment. Even if I'm the best guy in the world at reading people and articulate my position well, there is still a possibility that I run someone off. For what? Certainly not anything related to my business.

I talk that kind of stuff with a select few people who I know can separate me from my business. It's probably unhealthy to never talk about it, but I'm damn sure not going to do it in a position that could be construed as me representing my business.

So if I were making movies, I'd have the same approach, probably moreso. These people want the public to come see THEM perform in a entertainment activity. I would actively try not to say a goddamn thing that could run anyone off. Ever.

Now, that's not to say that she doesn't have to represent herself to get a job. She has to audition, deal with execs, and a whole bunch of shit more than I do. And maybe they pick up more people than they run off with this noise. Maybe Marvel's bulletproof and I'm off base.

I don't know, but it's not the approach I'd take.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

That's fair.

I think it's also a fair point Guru made about being vocal about politics/SJW shit while promoting a movie.

From my perspective, I just don't get trying to be a loud voice anywhere. I have a business that doesn't even rely that heavily on customers, but as a representation of my business (my brand, to put it into today's horseshit jargon), I am CONSTANTLY aware of what I say or how my shit looks and how it could be interpreted by a potential landlord or customer. As such, I just completely ****ing avoid anything that could piss people off or drive them away, ESPECIALLY if it has nothing to do with my business.

I don't talk politics, or any of the crazy shit that is going on with Smollet, Trump, religion, or any of the other controversial crap that is going on at the moment. Even if I'm the best guy in the world at reading people and articulate my position well, there is still a possibility that I run someone off. For what? Certainly not anything related to my business.

I talk that kind of stuff with a select few people who I know can separate me from my business. It's probably unhealthy to never talk about it, but I'm damn sure not going to do it in a position that could be construed as me representing my business.

So if I were making movies, I'd have the same approach, probably moreso. These people want the public to come see THEM perform in a entertainment activity. I would actively try not to say a goddamn thing that could run anyone off. Ever.

Now, that's not to say that she doesn't have to represent herself to get a job. She has to audition, deal with execs, and a whole bunch of shit more than I do. And maybe they pick up more people than they run off with this noise. Maybe Marvel's bulletproof and I'm off base.

I don't know, but it's not the approach I'd take.

As usual, I totally agree with your assessment. As well as how Larson's activism while "on the job" could sour on some people. I think the majority of online criticism I've seen about her doesn't delineate that, though, they just attack her stances as a person.

The non-profit I help run has a pretty even split between conservative and liberal donors (with a slight skew towards conservative contributors). While we're active on social media, we've never taken a domestic political position on anything. If our desire to be politically active causes someone to quit supporting us, that could take away a school lunch from a child half a world away. In the event our political activism ever takes that much of a priority for us, then we will have lost our way.

[CoMoChief]

If Larson had the ass of ScarJo I might see it.

Otherwise this movie just doesn't do it for me.

Because this woman can. not. act. I mean I dont expect an Academy Award perfomance or anything, esp for a popcorn MCU flick such as this...but she's really bad.