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Old 02-25-2024, 03:01 PM  
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Old 02-26-2024, 11:52 AM   #166
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You guys are blowing smoke out your asses if you think that we don't have the picks to get it done. Would they prefer a higher 1st? You betchya. Did the Dolphins have enough with 1-29 and 2-50 as the highest picks in the Tyreek trade? Yup. I think back-to-back picks at 32 and some change would get er done.

The Vikings pick at #12 this year. If they want to get to #3 for a QB, they can get there easily with our picks in their portfolio.

My only concern in this entire scenario is the impact on our defense but I think the net would be palatable. I'm not overly concerned with losing Sneed, its Jones that is most concerning. I haven't looked much at the numbers but I think there is a scenario where you can absorb Jones and Jefferson.


Jefferson
Rice
Kelce

then add in a cheap FA WR signing or 2 like

Noah Brown
Devin Duvernay

Keep Sneed

And Jones walks but is replaced by Jefferson on the offense.

Offense is elite again and defense is top ten but contantly in pass rush mode because teams will have to throw against Spags to catch up to our offense.


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Old 02-26-2024, 11:53 AM   #167
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Who's entering FA over the next several years that has an argument to re-set the market over Jefferson? Especially when Jefferson and Chase will be looking to set it at the same time.

Beyond them it's...what? Lamb is as close as I can see and isn't he on the same FA timeline as the other 2? I don't think St. Brown would. Or Aiyuk. The rest are guys like Hill, Adams, Kupp and Diggs that I can't see re-setting the market at their respective ages.

Jefferson's likely going to hold the top spot (or near enough as to make no difference) for a very long while.

Its not about who is better. Its about which team doesnt want to lose their wr1.

Mahomes contract has been passed 5 times, do any of those guys deserve more per season?

Also, in 3 years you have no idea what its going to look like.

Olave could blow up
Wilson could blow up
Addison could blow up
Flowers could blow up

Hell, rashee rice could blow up.


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Old 02-26-2024, 11:53 AM   #168
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You guys are blowing smoke out your asses if you think that we don't have the picks to get it done. Would they prefer a higher 1st? You betchya. Did the Dolphins have enough with 1-29 and 2-50 as the highest picks in the Tyreek trade? Yup. I think back-to-back picks at 32 and some change would get er done.

The Vikings pick at #12 this year. If they want to get to #3 for a QB, they can get there easily with our picks in their portfolio.

My only concern in this entire scenario is the impact on our defense but I think the net would be palatable. I'm not overly concerned with losing Sneed, its Jones that is most concerning. I haven't looked much at the numbers but I think there is a scenario where you can absorb Jones and Jefferson.
Tyreek trade brings up a good point. Didn't the Jets actually have the better offer with a higher 1st? I kinda remember that Veach told Hill and his agent to go find a trade and it was Hill saying which team he wanted to go to and which team he would "SIGN" with.

If Jefferson and his agent get 5 or 6 teams to bring offers to the table and Veach's still works value wise but maybe not with the high sexy 1st round pick, I could see Jefferson telling his agent he will sign with KC right away but not the Jets, which weakens the trade.

Could happen haha
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Old 02-26-2024, 12:00 PM   #169
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Yeah I'm keeping the best C in the league and the QB of the defense who is incredibly important per Spags) while also keeping the draft picks.

This is an awesome WR draft. We've already got a 1k caliber WR1 in Rice. I'd rather keep what we have, bring Chris back and get another stud WR from the draft.

Also this is a strong Tackle class. I don't trust Wanya. Can potentially get your LT for the next 8-10 years from this class. That matters
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Old 02-26-2024, 12:00 PM   #170
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Tyreek trade brings up a good point. Didn't the Jets actually have the better offer with a higher 1st? I kinda remember that Veach told Hill and his agent to go find a trade and it was Hill saying which team he wanted to go to and which team he would "SIGN" with.

If Jefferson and his agent get 5 or 6 teams to bring offers to the table and Veach's still works value wise but maybe not with the high sexy 1st round pick, I could see Jefferson telling his agent he will sign with KC right away but not the Jets, which weakens the trade.

Could happen haha
Yep. Even if Minnesota wouldn't want Sneed in the deal, there's nothing stopping us from tagging him and trading him as well to recoup some capital. I was just thinking, why not both? If you could get say, 2-51 and a 2025 4th from Philly for Sneed then you're softening the impact in both years from the Jefferson trade quite a bit and he doesn't have to be in the Jefferson trade.
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Old 02-26-2024, 12:09 PM   #171
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Yeah I'm keeping the best C in the league
Creed better fix those low snaps if he wants to live up to that “best center in the league” title.
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Old 02-26-2024, 12:13 PM   #172
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Creed better fix those low snaps if he wants to live up to that “best center in the league” title.
Yeah - this year he was very good and probably well situated to be the best center in the league going forward. But I don't think he had a slam dunk "Oh my, we have to re-set the market and extend this guy" kind of season.

I mean was he obviously better than, say, Andre James? Ehhhhh......

And honestly, I don't think he's better than Ragnow even at his best. A little younger, but Ragnow is a horse. Much more powerful at the point of attack; would definitely help us with that short yardage game we so routinely struggle with.

Ain't trying to shit on Creed here or anything - love the guy. But I don't think he's a guy you base offseason decisions around at this moment in time. It's worth noting that Drew Dalman, a 4th rounder in the same class, was also damn good this year. And the league has plenty of mid-round picks playing quite well at C.

And we won a championship with Austin Reiter at C.

I just don't know that it's critical enough to worry about. Make the moves that help the team the most in 2024 and if those somehow foreclose a Creed Humphrey extension then it's onto the next guy. We've simply never had a problem at the position with Reid here, regardless of who's playing it.
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They won't.

Toney, Moore and MVS all taking a step back is just not something that I think's going to happen very often. Our cheap veteran flyer getting injured immediately and essentially being taken out of the rotation isn't going to happen very often.

I mean NOTHING worked to script.

And when just the tiniest little bit did (MVS and Hardman being playable in the post-season) we were at worst a good offense. Not a great one, but a good one.

That's really all we needed. A couple playable guys. I just don't think it's likely that everything goes tits up like that again. That was a perfect storm of suck.
You're gonna have to bring in 4 WR's this offseason. That's......alot.

It was an all hands off deck scenario that likely won't happen again, atleast you'd hope.
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He brings up a good point. Jefferson is gonna have a say in this deal. The Vikes will want the best value, but if he isn't gonna sign at said place, they aren't gonna trade for him.
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Yeah I'm keeping the best C in the league and the QB of the defense who is incredibly important per Spags) while also keeping the draft picks.

This is an awesome WR draft. We've already got a 1k caliber WR1 in Rice. I'd rather keep what we have, bring Chris back and get another stud WR from the draft.

Also this is a strong Tackle class. I don't trust Wanya. Can potentially get your LT for the next 8-10 years from this class. That matters
You ain't gettin more than a developmental T at 32.
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I probably agree, but the WR can't have another year like this. They've gotta get the offense back to all systems go.

Kelce is a year or two away from being done.

I also think they're more aggressive than we as a board are. They wanted to break Trent Williams off. They wanted to pay Tyreek. Wanted to trade for Aj Brown. They wanted to trade up last year.

The tea leaves seem to say they're gonna be aggressive in terms of adding weapons this year. I dont' think it will be Jefferson, I don't think he's really on the market.

But nothing would shock me at this point.
Wanted, but didn't.

Willing to kick the tires, but not willing to overpay.

That is why I'm braced for Jones to not be back.
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You ain't gettin more than a developmental T at 32.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. Good class by all accounts. OT and WR is apparently strong and deep classes.

Could see them starting one too. Orlando and Smith were both top 5 in pressures given up last 2 years. The bar isn't exactly high there
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I wouldn't be too sure about that. Good class by all accounts. OT and WR is apparently strong and deep classes.

Could see them starting one too. Orlando and Smith were both top 5 in pressures given up last 2 years. The bar isn't exactly high there
If we have to start the T we theoretically take at 32, unless the board falls wonky, day one we're in trouble.
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If we have to start the T we theoretically take at 32, unless the board falls wonky, day one we're in trouble.
I'm fine with the grabbing an athletic tackle 2nd or 3rd round to compete with Wanya.
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8 tackles in Daniel Neremiah's top 40. 7 in his top 20 overall player rankings.

The avg amount of tackles taken per year is 4.5 and there's 7 highly ranked?

Yeah that's potentially a huge advantage for us
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