NFL likely banning hip-drop tackle

[Womble]

It's only going to get worse unless the fans come together to tell their owners to vote in the interest of the game of football rather than their own self interest.

All it takes to get a rule change is for a few nerds to deliver a PowerPoint with some graphs that show X play causes injuries every year. Then the owners natural response is "Injuries? Hell I don't like injuries. We had too many of them last year. Let's change the rule damnit!".

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Womble

It's only going to get worse unless the fans come together to tell their owners to vote in the interest of the game of football rather than their own self interest.

All it takes to get a rule change is for a few nerds to deliver a PowerPoint with a few graphs that show X play causes injuries every year. Then the owners natural response is "Injuries? Hell I don't like injuries. We had too many of them last year. Let's change the rule damnit!".

I seriously cannot comprehend how routinely losing superstars is in the best interest of the game. Backups in critical positions like qb make for completely unwatchable football.

[CoMoChief]

NFL gonna be a glorified flag league within 20yrs lol.

[DaFace]

I haven't been paying close attention to this, but I'm a little surprised to see people against banning the tackle type that almost cost us a Super Bowl. It seems like every time this kind of tackle happens the player is getting hurt, so it won't bother me to see them come down on it.

As for the arguments that they're ruining the game by eliminating offense or whatever, that doesn't make a ton of sense to me. The NFL is more popular than ever after two decades of neutering defenses. You can have your 7-6 final score games - I'll take offensive excitement.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I haven't been paying close attention to this, but I'm a little surprised to see people against banning the tackle type that almost cost us a Super Bowl. It seems like every time this kind of tackle happens the player is getting hurt, so it won't bother me to see them come down on it.

As for the arguments that they're ruining the game by eliminating offense or whatever, that doesn't make a ton of sense to me. The NFL is more popular than ever after two decades of neutering defenses. You can have your 7-6 final score games - I'll take offensive excitement.

Did you watch the video of what they are considering "hip-drop"? It's dumb as hell.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I haven't been paying close attention to this, but I'm a little surprised to see people against banning the tackle type that almost cost us a Super Bowl. It seems like every time this kind of tackle happens the player is getting hurt, so it won't bother me to see them come down on it.

As for the arguments that they're ruining the game by eliminating offense or whatever, that doesn't make a ton of sense to me. The NFL is more popular than ever after two decades of neutering defenses. You can have your 7-6 final score games - I'll take offensive excitement.

Every year they make new rules and it's always in favor of the offense or making the game less physical. It's ridiculous. There needs to be more balance because eventually every D is going to be pretty much trash and the league will turn into the area football league.

Also, lets keep it real there weren't many 7-6 games even back in the day and there's nothing wrong with watching good defense. The Ravens D w Ray Lewis, Chiefs D in 1990s, Bucs D w Warren Sapp and company, Steelers w Polamalu were a joy to watch.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Every year they make new rules and it's always in favor of the offense or making the game less physical. It's ridiculous. There needs to be more balance because eventually every D is going to be pretty much trash and the league will turn into the area football league.

Also, lets keep it real there weren't many 7-6 games even back in the day and there's nothing wrong with watching good defense. The Ravens D w Ray Lewis, Chiefs D in 1990s, Bucs D w Warren Sapp and company, Steelers w Polamalu were a joy to watch.

And yet last year was a great year for defenses. Including our own. Defenses will adapt. From a player safety standpoint of course rules will and should favor offense. Because they are way more vulnerable to game and season impacting injuries and as long as that advantage is huge then defenses have an advantage and incentive to play dirty.

No position is more crucial to good game play in any sport than qb. And defenseless WRs are easily one of the most vulnerable on the field. So yeah, anyone would take arena league with the best players than replacement league with backups. I’m pretty sure of that.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And yet last year was a great year for defenses. Including our own. Defenses will adapt. From a player safety standpoint of course rules will and should favor offense. Because they are way more vulnerable to game and season impacting injuries and as long as that advantage is huge then defenses have an advantage and incentive to play dirty.

No position is more crucial to good game play in any sport than qb. And defenseless WRs are easily one of the most vulnerable on the field. So yeah, anyone would take arena league with the best players than replacement league with backups. I’m pretty sure of that.

Might want to chill with your exaggerations because that statement you made is ridiculous in the 1990s and early 2000s players weren't getting hurt like you are suggesting...

Defenses did good last season I admit, but there were a lot of injuries to QBs so that may have played a part. But there are no dominant defenses anymore, just good ones.

JJ Watt and plenty of other players have made statements echoing what I am saying so lets try and be objective here and realize if the NFL continues in this direction, defenses will continue to get worse. There should be more of a balance with these rule changes, that's all I'm saying.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rop-tackle-ban

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Might want to chill with your exaggerations because that statement you made is ridiculous in the 1990s and early 2000s players weren't getting hurt like you are suggesting...

Defenses did good last season I admit, but there were a lot of injuries to QBs so that may have played a part. But there are no dominant defenses anymore, just good ones.

JJ Watt and plenty of other players have made statements echoing what I am saying so lets try and be objective here and realize the NFL continues in this direction defense will continue to get worse. There should be more of a balance with these rule changes, that's all I'm saying.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rop-tackle-ban

Players are bigger and faster. A lot of the reason why dangerous hip drops are more common is because bigger guys are becoming better athletes. Concussion protocol is now enforced (and id hope people agree that’s a good thing) and that is going to be heavily skewed toward offense players. When it comes to contact it just goes without saying that offense players are going to be way more prone to injury. And big guys shouldn’t be punished just because they’re too big to take down.

Of course the players aren’t gonna like it. Neither side wants to soften the game. No player wants an independent doctor to dictate if they can play through a concussion or not. Players also don’t like targeting or roughing the passer calls. Too bad. Knocking players out of the game isn’t a strategy and players need to coach to find safer ways to tackle players.they won’t do it on their own so this forces their hand to figure something out.

I know you’re trying to hedge on defensive performance but last year was an outstanding year for defenses. And that includes the playoffs with healthy QBs. So the talk about the demise of defense is overblown. Defenses will adapt just as they have for all the roughing and targeting rules

[kysirsoze]

Unlikely to effect outcomes much as they plan to enforce through fines, not flags.

[wazu]

NOOOOOOO!!! Hip drop tackles are what made me a fan!

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by wazu

NOOOOOOO!!! Hip drop tackles are what made me a fan!

But what if Mahomes gets an extra 3 yards instead of getting a high ankle sprain that takes months to heal??? The game will be ruined!!!

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by wazu

NOOOOOOO!!! Hip drop tackles are what made me a fan!

It was over as soon as they made players wear hard shell helmets with facemasks. This used to be a mans sport, DAMNIT!!!!

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Radar Chief

It was over as soon as they made players wear hard shell helmets with facemasks. This used to be a mans sport, DAMNIT!!!!

I am against flag football but I wouldn't be opposed to going back to basically rugby gear and let the lads play

[jdubya]

Another subjective call for refs to make. What could go wrong?