Paxton Lynch

[O.city]

Qb from Memphis, on ABC right now against Ole miss.

He's endorsed by Sacofbats so, take caution, but I'm intrigued

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

We beat up on teams with shit QBs

Good for you!

[Mile High Mania]

Lots of good stuff in this one...

Look, all in all, Denver did want Brock to stay and that's why they made him a big offer. Houston made him a bigger offer and they never met with him, they needed to make a splash and pegged him as the guy.

Fine, he's gone, but Denver had a slotted number for that spot and weren't going over it... sh*t happens and you move on. They bring in Sanchez as a dude and try to trade for CK, that didn't work, but Lynch fell to them and they made the move.

All in all, nobody really knows who won this one. But, I'm quite certain that Denver thought they could retain Brock and were surprised by Houston, but they moved on... as all teams do.

Brock was a mixed bag last year... lots of good moments, but I didn't see that 'leader' in him. I wish him the best and no, I have no idea what to expect from Lynch and I do not expect Sanchez to be worth much.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Lots of good stuff in this one...

Look, all in all, Denver did want Brock to stay and that's why they made him a big offer. Houston made him a bigger offer and they never met with him, they needed to make a splash and pegged him as the guy.

Fine, he's gone, but Denver had a slotted number for that spot and weren't going over it... sh*t happens and you move on. They bring in Sanchez as a dude and try to trade for CK, that didn't work, but Lynch fell to them and they made the move.

All in all, nobody really knows who won this one. But, I'm quite certain that Denver thought they could retain Brock and were surprised by Houston, but they moved on... as all teams do.

Brock was a mixed bag last year... lots of good moments, but I didn't see that 'leader' in him. I wish him the best and no, I have no idea what to expect from Lynch and I do not expect Sanchez to be worth much.

The problem for Denver in 2016 is that Sanchez is a turnover machine and Lynch won't be ready. That coaching staff will have to work some serious magic just to have Lynch ready to take over in 2017 in my opinion. Could end up being a good move overall though, he has some damn good physical capabilities. The mental side and the fundamentals of playing from a pro set have to catch up.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The problem for Denver in 2016 is that Sanchez is a turnover machine and Lynch won't be ready. That coaching staff will have to work some serious magic just to have Lynch ready to take over in 2017 in my opinion. Could end up being a good move overall though, he has some damn good physical capabilities. The mental side and the fundamentals of playing from a pro set have to catch up.

Who knows, Kubiak did well with Plummer in his adjustment from AZ to Denver. I like Jake a lot better than Sanchez, but we'll see what he can do. Sanchez had a great team around him early in NY and they had a bit of playoff success, despite his issues at QB.

It's not all of a sudden this doomed scenario if he starts the bulk of the games in Denver, which he likely will. Paxton shouldn't be rushed in. Hell, I'm fine with a down year as they transition. I expect it to be similarly frustrating as the 2011 Tebow season.

[Codered]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The problem for Denver in 2016 is that Sanchez is a turnover machine and Lynch won't be ready. That coaching staff will have to work some serious magic just to have Lynch ready to take over in 2017 in my opinion. Could end up being a good move overall though, he has some damn good physical capabilities. The mental side and the fundamentals of playing from a pro set have to catch up.

I haven't looked at the stats, but didn't Manning & Brock combo have a high number of turnovers combined in 2015? Sanchez isn't very good, but my worry is he will play better then what they had in 2015.

Then add the fact they have a young QB who may or may not work out, but if it does then Denver again misses a rebuild process.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Codered

I haven't looked at the stats, but didn't Manning & Brock combo have a high number of turnovers combined in 2015? Sanchez isn't very good, but my worry is he will play better then what they had in 2015.

Then add the fact they have a young QB who may or may not work out, but if it does then Denver again misses a rebuild process.

Yeah, they combined for roughly 4k yards, 19 TDs and 23 INTs... sounds like a Sanchez or other spare QB kinda year.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Codered

I haven't looked at the stats, but didn't Manning & Brock combo have a high number of turnovers combined in 2015? Sanchez isn't very good, but my worry is he will play better then what they had in 2015.

Then add the fact they have a young QB who may or may not work out, but if it does then Denver again misses a rebuild process.

Yeah they did. Sanchez isn't a 1 trick pony with turnovers. 21 fumbles lost, 51 total fumbles in 75 games played. Ouch. That's to go with his 84 interceptions.

Sanchez never came close to 4,000 yards. His career high is 3,474, and he actually had a great year that year with 26 TD's, 18 INTs, and 6 FUM.

The big question is if Kubiac can get that out of Sanchez again. Sanchez is going to face a couple of big boy defenses in the division this year, but they got a cupcake schedule outside of the division. Only good teams they face outside the division are likely Carolina, New England, Cincinnati, and Jacksonville (they look like they are going to be good this year anyhow).

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Yeah, they combined for roughly 4k yards, 19 TDs and 23 INTs... sounds like a Sanchez or other spare QB kinda year.

Gary's offense sucks bro, its a run first system that limits QB's to one read on most plays. That's why Brock left. There is no checking out of plays or changing things.

Just wait till one of you QB's get killed on a roll-out.

I think Lynch has a "chance" but honestly with how tall he is I worry about Gary rolling him out and some LB just breaking one of his freaking legs.

[Titty Meat]

Didn't Denver win it all with a turnover machine last year? Look I ****ing hate the Broncos but Elway always gets his guy and usually is successful.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by billay

Didn't Denver win it all with a turnover machine last year? Look I ****ing hate the Broncos but Elway always gets his guy and usually is successful.

That logic is so flawed because Denver was very close to being a WC and not winning the SB if it weren't for QB play week 17. They won a ridiculous amount of close games last year. Not to mention their defense won't be as strong.

As for your last sentence, there's a huge difference between signing Peyton as a FA and drafting/developing your own QB. I wouldn't exactly call Brock a "success".

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by billay

Didn't Denver win it all with a turnover machine last year? Look I ****ing hate the Broncos but Elway always gets his guy and usually is successful.

Yup. Defense was lights out last year.

Manning had 1 INT and 2 FUM in the playoffs with the 1 INT and 1 FUM coming in the Super Bowl. Hardly the same as the regular season debacle though.


Overall, I'd have to say that Denver regressed this offseason on both sides of the ball. Here's my thoughts...

QB - Peyton Manning and Brock Osweiler out, Mark Sanchez and Paxton Lynch in. Significant loss.

RB - Devontae Booker added. Could be a big gain if Booker continues what he did in college.

LT - Ryan Clady out. Russel Okung in. Wash. Both have health problems.

LG - Evan Mathis out. Max Garcia back in. Wash.

RG - Louis Vasquez out. Conner McGovern in. Looks like a gain.

RT - Tyler Polumbus and Ryan Harris out. Donald Stephenson in. Loss, Stephenson is terrible.

TE - Owen Daniels, Richard Gordon, Nick Kasa, Vernon Davis out. Garrett Graham, healthy Jeff Heuerman. Heuerman might end up an Owen Daniels-type long-term but Daniels was always solid and Garrett Graham sucks. Going with a significant loss initially.

DE - Malik Jackson out. Jared Crick and Adam Gotsis in. They may want to consider starting Vance Walker. Significant loss.

OLB - DeMarcus Ware turning 34. Likely to continue to slow down and deteriorate. Shane Ray will have to step up more. Calling it a wash.

ILB - Danny Trevathan out. Whoever on the roster takes over, likely Corey Nelson, in. Significant loss.

3rd S - David Bruton out. Justin Simmons in. Gain.

4th S - Omar Bolden out. Will Parks in. Can't be any worse. Wash at worst.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Clady didn't play last year. Ryan Harris was playing out of position at LT for us last year, Okung is a massive improvement over him.

Michael Schofield was our starting RT, not Harris or Polumbus. Stephenson is a much better player than Schofield. We also have Ty Sambrailo coming back from injury this year. Our tackle situation is much better than it was last year.

[RunKC]

The QB production will drop simply bc of IQ disparity between Manning and Sanchez/Lynch.
The Broncos struggling OL was masked by Manning in games last year bc he saw the coverages and exploited them. Hell he did it against us at Arrowhead when he made Fleming his bitch. Manning read blitzes and audibled into the right play to counter like he always has.

That's a significant downgrade that Sanchez and a first year QB who's never had to read a defense simply can't provide.


I think Denver will miss Malik Jackson and Danny Trevathan a lot next year as well. He interior rush and speed/experience at ILB really made Denver's defense more flexible.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Denver's O line looks just as atrocious as last year...wow

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Yeah they did. Sanchez isn't a 1 trick pony with turnovers. 21 fumbles lost, 51 total fumbles in 75 games played. Ouch. That's to go with his 84 interceptions.

Sanchez never came close to 4,000 yards. His career high is 3,474, and he actually had a great year that year with 26 TD's, 18 INTs, and 6 FUM.

The big question is if Kubiac can get that out of Sanchez again. Sanchez is going to face a couple of big boy defenses in the division this year, but they got a cupcake schedule outside of the division. Only good teams they face outside the division are likely Carolina, New England, Cincinnati, and Jacksonville (they look like they are going to be good this year anyhow).

Cupcake schedule... that's funny.