Avengers (4) Endgame - Spoilers Welcome Thread

[CoMoChief]

I was somewhat disappointed on a few things.

- HATED Hulk's story arc, Professor Hulk etc. Just absolutely hated everything about it. I kinda had a feeling it would be this way...but I wanted Hulk destroying shit, fighting, rematch w/ Thanos etc. Didn't expect Russo's to make him into some clownish bumbling idiot though. He practically stood around, cracked jokes acted goofy and pulled levers and switches. Wow...way to completely ruin Hulk, Russo bros. And I dont give a shit what Prof Hulk's personality was like in the comics...nobody wanted to really see this shit.

Movie needed more fighting and action, less sobby dialogue and hanging heads feeling sorry...that was a good 1/3rd of the movie. The last fight scene was pretty damn cool, wouldve been better had more of the movie been that way.

Movie should've had more fighting w/ past selves. Capt vs Capt was petty cool...needed to see more of that.

Overall I give a 7/10, would've been lower if not for the end fight scene. Really disappointed about Hulk.

[Jerm]

What a ****ing amazing movie....the perfect culmination of this phase of the MCU.

Man I knew it would be an emotional watch, didn't know how emotional it would be...esp. parts I didn't expect to get me.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Nerd shit

**** this country

[arrowheadnation]

Are you talking about Maria Hill? (Cobie Smulders)

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

Are you talking about Maria Hill? (Cobie Smulders)

No idea, I believe she was after the kid. I will need to rewatch.

[Gravedigger]

It was great but I kept watching the movie thinking they were trying too hard to be funny. America's ass, Tony saying shit to his five year old multiple times, once is fine, but if the joke doesn't land the first time, the second time it's just overkill. Also the last scene with Thor joining the Guardians on their ship should've been a way funnier moment of Starlord and Thor fighting over power, it was funny when Mantis asks that they use knives, but everything else was just awkward staring and smiling. Thor's scene with his mother was one of the best scene's of the movie and that's what I've always liked about the Thor movies is their ability to introduce a weak side to him, a mortal side if you will.

I also wished they would've spent less time with the one on one human elements of the movie in the beginning and more on the final battle, giving characters their just do. Some of the characters come back, and they get nothing besides a few action shots. Then the most annoying thing that got carried over from Iron Man 3 was Pepper being such a pro in the Iron Man suit. Back then she was able to all of a sudden kick an explosive into the air, roundhouse kick it towards the bad guy, then use the iron man blaster arm to shoot it deadeye. In this movie, her inclusion in the final battle was annoying to me how her and Tony are just flying around in unison destroying faces together and then the women against Thanos scene. Maybe she's been practicing in the Rescue armor the last five years, after she was absolutely pissed about Tony continuously being Iron Man against her wishes.

Getting all the women together, like literally every single one, marching towards Thanos... I guess every man on Team Avengers just took those scenes off or under the extreme coincidence actually fighting in other places when the bulk of the fight, Thanos and the Black Order were all charging that particular point of women. I don't have any problems with women kicking ass, but when you openly pander to it and throw all men out, it's like the new Ghostbusters. Men and women can fight together, if you think you're being sexist one way by only showing men being the asskickers, you're being sexist the opposite way as well by actively excluding male participation. If they would've had Iron Man carrying the gauntlet to try to get to the van and then Captain America says "He's not alone!" Then all the men gather together and start charging the lines while the women are completely left out of the shot... tell me that's not pandering to men in that scenario. If you want to be equal then start being equal to both instead of trying to draw out applause from one half of the theater, and eye rolls from the other half. When they did it in Infinity War you could reason that there's a good chance there were no men around what so ever and it just ended up being four women in an area fighting. When they did it in Endgame, there's just no damn way.

I also have some gripes with Cap using Mjolnir. Picking it up, fine, calling it back to him when everyone shows back up, okay I'll bite... but how the hell is he channeling lightning into that thing? Odin even says it in Ragnarok, "Are you Thor, the God of Hammers?" Lightning always came from within Thor, not the Hammer. The Hammer can be lifted and wielded by those who are worthy, but my inner nerd was thinking during the awesomeness that was Cap during that sequence, that it was kinda bullshit.

[keg in kc]

I thought it was a little cringy, but I'm a dude, so they didn't do it for me. Which is why I don't have a problem with women getting a 10-second group-up in a 3 hour movie. Especially after they killed-off Nat, literally the only female OG Avenger (I thought Clint should have been the one to die there, but it's not a big thing).

I think every woman and girl in the theater cheered when that scene happened. Loudest moment for the crowd that didn't involve Cap and Mjolnir.

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I thought it was a little cringy, but I'm a dude, so they didn't do it for me. Which is why I don't have a problem with women getting a 10-second group-up in a 3 hour movie. Especially after they killed-off Nat, literally the only female OG Avenger (I thought Clint should have been the one to die there, but it's not a big thing).

I think every woman and girl in the theater cheered when that scene happened. Loudest moment for the crowd that didn't involve Cap and Mjolnir.

Yeah, minor gripes from me though it was a great movie. In fact it was alot, my sister wants to go see it on Sunday and I'm almost like, gimme a week to digest it then I'll go see it again.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

I also have some gripes with Cap using Mjolnir. Picking it up, fine, calling it back to him when everyone shows back up, okay I'll bite... but how the hell is he channeling lightning into that thing? Odin even says it in Ragnarok, "Are you Thor, the God of Hammers?" Lightning always came from within Thor, not the Hammer. The Hammer can be lifted and wielded by those who are worthy, but my inner nerd was thinking during the awesomeness that was Cap during that sequence, that it was kinda bullshit.

If you lift the hammer you posess the power of Thor, all-inclusive. The point was Thor doesn't need the hammer to have his own powers.

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by Jamie

If you lift the hammer you posess the power of Thor, all-inclusive. The point was Thor doesn't need the hammer to have his own powers.

I just always took it that was just used by Anthony Hopkins in Thor 1 so that his powers would be stripped until he became a man again. I didn't think of it as carrying on as if someone is worthy to lift Mjolnir they get Thor's lightning ability too.

[Pushead2]

I'd give it 3.5/5.

There's a lot of points that people made that I agree with.

I feel the Infinity War was better.

[RunKC]

Fat Thor was so hilarious.

I was really hoping they’d make a joke from Starlord to follow up him being called fat when he met Thor in Infinity War.

[Tribal Warfare]

BTW, did anyone else question how future Nebula killed her past self and still lived

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

BTW, did anyone else question how future Nebula killed her past self and still lived

They explained that, indirectly, with the mocking of previous time travel movies and other conversational tidbits. They (the characters) followed the standard in-universe space/time laws right up until they reversed the original snap of Thanos. Reversing the snap caused Time to manifest as a universal force that attempted to invalidate the snap reversal. From the snap reversal on forward chronologically in the movie the time stream had been reset, and everything after it became new fixed points in time, with some critical events from before the snap reversal possibly entangled into the new time stream. It is certainly possible though that Nebula is now a combination of the new "good" and old "evil" Nebula as they shared minds.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by listopencil

They explained that, indirectly, with the mocking of previous time travel movies and other conversational tidbits. They (the characters) followed the standard in-universe space/time laws right up until they reversed the original snap of Thanos. Reversing the snap caused Time to manifest as a universal force that attempted to invalidate the snap reversal. From the snap reversal on forward chronologically in the movie the time stream had been reset, and everything after it became new fixed points in time, with some critical events from before the snap reversal possibly entangled into the new time stream. It is certainly possible though that Nebula is now a combination of the new "good" and old "evil" Nebula as they shared minds.

Explain the existence of "Old" Cap? if it's an alternate timeline. If it splinters from a "616" continuity for example