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Old 09-20-2019, 07:39 AM   #1
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Most of the calls I have seen actually were holding, so complaining about the quantity and blaming it on the referees instead of the coaches and players is wrong.

Is the NFL an inner city elementary school we’re the teachers just give up on having an orderly classroom because the kids wear them down?

How about coach the players to stop cheating?

If there is a holding call on every run play, eventually teams will stop running completely.

Is that a good thing for football?

As people have said for ages, there is some holding on just about every play.

If they over emphasize holding, football will quickly become 100% shotgun quick passes.

Not sure I want to see that evolution.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:11 AM   #2
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Most of the calls I have seen actually were holding, so complaining about the quantity and blaming it on the referees instead of the coaches and players is wrong.

Is the NFL an inner city elementary school we’re the teachers just give up on having an orderly classroom because the kids wear them down?

How about coach the players to stop cheating?
They probably coach linemen to hold if they get beat. The risk of getting called for holding is better than your QB getting smashed and possibly fumbling or throwing a pick.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:43 AM   #3
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WR's have been pushing off for a decade at least.


I mean blatant, and the refs and announcers just ignore it.
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Old 09-20-2019, 02:13 PM   #4
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WR's have been pushing off for a decade at least.


I mean blatant, and the refs and announcers just ignore it.
You can challenge that these days, so not much of an excuse anymore.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:39 AM   #5
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It's funny reading the reactions of everyone that is upset about it. I just wonder if they're okay with Frank Clark and Chris Jones getting held every play, or if they were okay when it was Houston and Hali constantly being robbed of sacks by holding linemen. There is a picture floating around here of Hali literally in a chokehold and it wasn't called. Are you okay with that going on? I, for one, am glad to see them finally doing something about it.
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:03 AM   #6
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Guess how man times the Patriots have been called for holding? Twice.

In comparison, Kansas City already has been called 7 times. Jacksonville has 10 through 3 games, next highest is Washington with 8.

http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/...ding?year=2019
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:10 AM   #7
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Guess how man times the Patriots have been called for holding? Twice.

In comparison, Kansas City already has been called 7 times. Jacksonville has 12 through 3 games, next highest is Washington with 8.

http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/...ding?year=2019

The refs don't like telling defenders to get off Tom.
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:43 AM   #8
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Guess how man times the Patriots have been called for holding? Twice.

In comparison, Kansas City already has been called 7 times. Jacksonville has 10 through 3 games, next highest is Washington with 8.

http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/...ding?year=2019
To be fair, there are several other teams with 2 holding penalties. Buffalo only has 1. Oddly, most of the teams with the fewest holding penalties are dog shit.
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:55 AM   #9
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To be fair, there are several other teams with 2 holding penalties. Buffalo only has 1. Oddly, most of the teams with the fewest holding penalties are dog shit.
So they're only calling the holding penalties against the teams that are a threat to the Patriots. That makes a ton of sense.

I really think that 20 years from now some ref in a retirement home will fess up that the Patriots bought them all off.
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