Joe Flacco traded to Broncos

[Hammock Parties]

Breaking: Baltimore has agreement in principle to trade former Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco to the Broncos, league sources told ESPN.

Trade cannot be processed until new NFL league year begins Wednesday, March 13. Teams prohibited from commenting on deal or terms surrounding it.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) February 13, 2019

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Drafting QBs is hard. You can forgive Denver for Lynch. The Keenum thing was questionable, but THIS THIS...is insanity. Giving up a 4th and paying 20+ million for a replacement level player? One of the worst moves in the NFL I can ever remember. Maybe I'm being too harsh. Can the Broncos just cut Flacco and walk away losing only a 4th?

Even if you forgive him for Lynch, what about Chad Kelly? Or Case Keenum? Or Trevor Siemian? Or Zac Dysert? Or Brock Osweiler?

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Things are cyclical... if we're still dealing with this in 3-4 years, then yeah - total failure.

That's just the thing - what, in Elway's 8 years as GM tells you he won't still be dealing with this in 3-4 years? What has he done that objectively suggests he knows what he is doing at the QB position?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Never said TE would be the end-all problem solver... I'm a believer that having a legitimate pass catching threat at that position is a must have. The OL is the greater concern.







We're going into Year 4 after Manning. 2016 wasn't a terrible year, but the last 2 were, without question terrible years. I said after the SB win that it bought them time for me.



I know Rome isn't built in a day. There were six seasons of nothing to write home about between Plummer and Manning. We're going into Year 4 of this next transition.



I'm in it for the long game, so I can fight through the shit seasons to get there. I firmly do not believe this will be a decade's long battle to get back to watching really good football.



Denver is in the Cutler/Orton/Tebow phase... they'll get out of it, maybe they draft a guy that turns out to be great. Maybe Flacco (doubt it) somehow finds magic in his twilight years. Maybe they twist in the wind another couple of years.



I'm just along for the ride...

You got out your cutler/orton/tebow phase through the grace of Peyton Manning waltzing in that door.

Manning begot Emmanuel Sanders and made your talent that struggled under other QBs much better. He’s a franchise QB. He has that effect. And they came aboard at a reasonable price because it was Manning. Not because of “THEYRE THE BRONCOS! TEH HISTORIEEEZZZ!!” And the same goes for all the defensive pieces you picked up. Do you think they sign with you at the prices they did because of any other reason but Manning?

Pat Mahomes is already having that effect and it’s not even free agency yet.

You will still get players to sign with you, but only if Elway pays market value or above. And if there are multiple suitors, you might just lose out because you don’t have a real QB.

And let’s say another Manning comes along. Maybe Aaron Rodgers or somebody like that. Your team is a flaming dumpster. They’re not going anywhere near you. The ownership, Elway, and your carousel of coaches is going to deter any and all advances you make.

But we shall see, won’t we?

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

It's a process... they made some calculated risks and they failed with Brock and Lynch. They have over-reacted to those failures with Case and Flacco. Siemian wasn't terrible. Hell, had they fixed the OL... who knows he could have been an adequate option for a few years until they found the next true starter.



Things are cyclical... if we're still dealing with this in 3-4 years, then yeah - total failure.

Siemian was the best of the bunch imo. He never lived up the all the Monday Night hype that he was the next Manning, but he was better than Case, Brock and Lynch.

I don't think Flacco can stay healthy for the rest of his contract. So who will be the backup QB? Do you keep Case as a 10 million dollar 2nd stringer?

It seems like a complete desperation move by Elway. You have the highest QB dollars being spent in the NFL and yet the worst QB situation in the division.

Add to the fact that Flacco is not mobile at all and you have to play the Chargers and Chiefs both with great pass rushers. Elway has gone down the rabbit hole and it will take years and a lot of luck to get back to the Playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

We're going into Year 4 after Manning. 2016 wasn't a terrible year, but the last 2 were, without question terrible years. I said after the SB win that it bought them time for me.

I know Rome isn't built in a day. There were six seasons of nothing to write home about between Plummer and Manning. We're going into Year 4 of this next transition.

I'm in it for the long game, so I can fight through the shit seasons to get there. I firmly do not believe this will be a decade's long battle to get back to watching really good football.

Denver is in the Cutler/Orton/Tebow phase... they'll get out of it, maybe they draft a guy that turns out to be great. Maybe Flacco (doubt it) somehow finds magic in his twilight years. Maybe they twist in the wind another couple of years.

I'm just along for the ride...

Better buckle up!

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Even if you forgive him for Lynch, what about Chad Kelly? Or Case Keenum? Or Trevor Siemian? Or Zac Dysert? Or Brock Osweiler?

Kelly? He was a nothing 7th round final pick ... lost nothing by taking him. Same with Siemian, but he actually did ok for a short bit. Dysert? Now, you can say they missed with Brock and Lynch for sure. Same with Case.

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's just the thing - what, in Elway's 8 years as GM tells you he won't still be dealing with this in 3-4 years? What has he done that objectively suggests he knows what he is doing at the QB position?

I'm not going to debate his track record, he's missed on all his QB attempts and found himself in the perfect spot with Manning, for sure. Hell, so many here said that would fail and they would be no better than a 9/10 win team with broken down Manning.

That aside... Elway has experienced the highest of the highs and the lowest of the lows in his 8 years. He holds on to his old ways too often, but I think he's slowsly adapting. I like this coaching staff much better than the others. Elway has a lot to prove and for many, his window is closing and rightfully so. I'll ride the storm out.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

You got out your cutler/orton/tebow phase through the grace of Peyton Manning waltzing in that door.

Manning begot Emmanuel Sanders and made your talent that struggled under other QBs much better. He’s a franchise QB. He has that effect. And they came aboard at a reasonable price because it was Manning. Not because of “THEYRE THE BRONCOS! TEH HISTORIEEEZZZ!!” And the same goes for all the defensive pieces you picked up. Do you think they sign with you at the prices they did because of any other reason but Manning?

Pat Mahomes is already having that effect and it’s not even free agency yet.

You will still get players to sign with you, but only if Elway pays market value or above. And if there are multiple suitors, you might just lose out because you don’t have a real QB.

And let’s say another Manning comes along. Maybe Aaron Rodgers or somebody like that. Your team is a flaming dumpster. They’re not going anywhere near you. The ownership, Elway, and your carousel of coaches is going to deter any and all advances you make.

But we shall see, won’t we?

In the end, yes - we will see.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by CrossCheck

Elway is as bad at picking Tight Ends as QBs, 3 in the last 4 years and they are still looking.

I heard on the radio today that in Baltimore they called Flacco the pocket sloth...lol

Pocket Sloth!

Slow Joe is pretty statuesque back there and not elusive at all.

This is not the type of QB you want when you have guys like Bosa, Ford, Jones and Houston coming at you 4 games a year. Even if Case was inaccurate throwing, he could still move around a little and get you some first downs with his legs. I would be pretty depressed if the Chiefs were about to pay Slow Joe 20 million bucks this year. Got to give the Ravens props for getting out from under that ridiculous contract. A sucker is born every day.

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Kelly? He was a nothing 7th round final pick ... lost nothing by taking him. Same with Siemian, but he actually did ok for a short bit. Dysert? Now, you can say they missed with Brock and Lynch for sure. Same with Case.

Normally, I wouldn't mention Kelly or Siemian for that very reason (late round flyers) but in this case, it's about looking at the whole of his work. Outside of having Manning drop straight from Heaven into his lap, it sure seems like he knows next to nothing about evaluating QBs.

I'm trying to remain as objective as possible here, given that you're a Bronco fan and I'm not, but if I were you, I don't see a whole lot of reasons for hope.

[Halfcan]

Since Elway likes paying high dollars for damaged goods- maybe we can trade them Berry?

[Beef Supreme]

They could have just rode Siemian on a cheap contract and had similar or even better results. I mean if you are going for "stop gap" might as well go cheap.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Beef Supreme

They could have just rode Siemian on a cheap contract and had similar or even better results. I mean if you are going for "stop gap" might as well go cheap.

100% agree and believe I said as much at the time... fix the OL first.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Normally, I wouldn't mention Kelly or Siemian for that very reason (late round flyers) but in this case, it's about looking at the whole of his work. Outside of having Manning drop straight from Heaven into his lap, it sure seems like he knows next to nothing about evaluating QBs.

I'm trying to remain as objective as possible here, given that you're a Bronco fan and I'm not, but if I were you, I don't see a whole lot of reasons for hope.

Well, it's all outside my control right... all we can do is hope.

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Well, it's all outside my control right... all we can do is hope.

Very true.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Very true.

I view the recent insanity a bunch of different ways... they're defnitely not afraid to make a change. Hell, they've now had as many head coaches since Manning won the SB as PIT has had in my lifetime.