NFL requiring Covid Vaccination to a certain degree

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Next up, forced vaccinations for kids, firing people from their jobs, containment centers for those who don't or can't comply with the latest nonsensical rules--where does it end?

Everyone posting on Chiefsplanet was vaccinated for measles, mumps, rubella and smallpox before they were allowed to attend elementary school.

Vaccinations protect societies from life altering and/or deadly diseases which can wipe out a significant portion of the population.

Vaccinations are the exact opposite of "nonsensical".

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Yes, I ignored it. You feel personal liberty for others to make their own health choices do not matter if it makes You feel more secure.

And that gives people the right to act like assholes over it and try to force their choices onto others.

Next up, forced vaccinations for kids, firing people from their jobs, containment centers for those who don't or can't comply with the latest nonsensical rules--where does it end?

BTW- does having wide-open borders with unvaccinated hordes coming in at will- affect "your stake" in all of this?

Hahaha... You are such a complete moron. It has nothing to do with any of this. It has to do with basic math, science, and reason.

This is exactly the problem with someone like you. You ask these questions and then admit to ignoring the basic answer. You don't engage. You stick to your lame talking points. There's not an element of outside-the-box or critical thinking.

You literally just asked why people get the vaccine if it's possible that they could still get covid. That's directly akin to asking why people wear seatbelts despite the fact that some people who wear seatbelts still die in car accidents. Do you wear a seatbelt?

You're an absolute pathetic embarrassment. I think it's entirely reasonable for one to be skeptical and wary of the vaccine. I get that. I don't try to force that on anyone. But to ask basic questions and then ignore basic answers and revert back to this nonsense. You are the problem.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

This is what I don't understand- why do you think you have some moral high ground for getting the vaccine?

CDC says you still have to mask up and should not travel. You can still get it and spread it.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ccine/2478894/

"After you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should keep taking precautions – like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, and avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces – in public places until we know more," the CDC states.

Data has shown that you can still get coronavirus even after you're fully vaccinated, which means if you do get an infection, you could still spread it.

Again, math.

Why would you take this information from the article as a black and white "[nothing has changed], you can catch it and spread it"?

In Chicago, the city has reported close to 100 "breakthrough" cases, which are confirmed coronavirus cases in fully vaccinated residents. By comparison, state data shows 396,022 residents have been fully vaccinated.

According to IDPH data from early March, of the more than 1.6 million people who are fully vaccinated, 217 reported a positive test more than two weeks after their last vaccine dose.

Chicago's had 266k cases of Covid and its population is 2.7 million.... pretty easy math, that's about 10% of the population of Chicago that's had confirmed cases.

And 100 divided by 396,022 who are fully vaccinated is 0.03%, or one in every 3960.

The second number is one in every 7000.

The numbers are right there in the article.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

This is what I don't understand- why do you think you have some moral high ground for getting the vaccine?

Society has rules.

If you decide not to follow societal rules, don't bitch and complain when you're not allowed to participate in everything that society has to offer.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Society has rules.

If you decide not to follow societal rules, don't bitch and complain when you're not allowed to participate in everything that society has to offer.

Do those "rules" apply to the homeless army camped out up and down California's beaches? What about the masses of people with zero identification or vaccinations pouring into your state? You can't protect the sheep if you don't keep out the wolves.

BTW- I have very specific health reasons not to get the vaccination. So others on here wishing death, job loss, forced compliance can go **** themselves. These were some of the same morons that said they would never get the "Trump" vaccine because it was rushed and unsafe. Now since their overlords have flip-flopped- they think it is okay to persecute people on social media. Pathetic.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

BTW- I have very specific health reasons not to get the vaccination. .

It is very public that people with legitimate reasons are not asked or required to get the vaccine. That has never changed.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Do those "rules" apply to the homeless army camped out up and down California's beaches? What about the masses of people with zero identification or vaccinations pouring into your state? You can't protect the sheep if you don't keep out the wolves.

I wasn't aware that homeless people, you know, people who are broke and homeless, are employed and have the money to attend concerts, sporting events, movie theaters and everything else that society has to offer.

Secondly, while I've seen plenty of homeless living on the streets in Los Angeles, I've yet to see a homeless person or homeless people on highly populated beaches such as Redondo, Manhattan, Santa Monica, Will Rogers or Malibu. I'm not stating that they aren't around but the police and municipalities keep a tight check on the beaches at all times.

Originally Posted by Halfcan

BTW- I have very specific health reasons not to get the vaccination. So others on here wishing death, job loss, forced compliance can go **** themselves. These were some of the same morons that said they would never get the "Trump" vaccine because it was rushed and unsafe. Now since their overlords have flip-flopped- they think it is okay to persecute people on social media. Pathetic.

Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen anyone wishing "death" upon those that chose not to get vaccinated.

As for the speed in which the vaccine was developed - DUH!

These vaccines weren't developed in a lab back in the 1940's, they were developed in 2020 with the help of a network of super computers. Both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were developed in less than 2 days because human beings now have the assistance of AI and other computer software breakthroughs. Anyone negatively commenting on the "speed" in which these vaccines were developed has absolutely zero background in genetics, biology, computer science and technology. And beside all of that, developing quick and effective vaccines is AMAZING for mankind.

Do you realize how many people would have been saved from horrible diseases such as Smallpox had computers been invented and assisting scientists worldwide prior to the 1950's?

[mlyonsd]

Just so we're all on the same page here, those that are advocating everyone should get the covid vaccine will also religiously get a flu shot every year. Right?

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Just so we're all on the same page here, those that are advocating everyone should get the covid vaccine will also religiously get a flu shot every year. Right?

I got mine. You puss out?

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

I got mine. You puss out?

Wow. Where did that come from.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Wow. Where did that come from.

I'm just playing. Take nothing but what you paid for my words when you read them.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Just so we're all on the same page here, those that are advocating everyone should get the covid vaccine will also religiously get a flu shot every year. Right?

Sorry, but this is a horrible comparison.

For starters, covid is a lot more transmissible than the common flu.

Beyond that, there are multiple strains of the flu each year. And they're forever evolving. And the flu vaccine is directed at one of them. So you're kinda shooting in the dark when you get the flu vaccine. And it's less deadly. And fewer people in the population are going to take it so it's naturally going to have less aggregate impact. So you're never going to come close to eradicating the flu.

The covid vaccine on the other hand is targeted at one particular strain of the virus, and at least at this point, ridding ourselves of that strain could make a huge difference.

Flu vaccine = 50%-ish efficacy
Covid vaccine = 90%-ish efficacy

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Sorry, but this is a horrible comparison.

For starters, covid is a lot more transmissible than the common flu.

Beyond that, there are multiple strains of the flu each year. And they're forever evolving. And the flu vaccine is directed at one of them. So you're kinda shooting in the dark when you get the flu vaccine. And it's less deadly. And fewer people in the population are going to take it so it's naturally going to have less aggregate impact. So you're never going to come close to eradicating the flu.

The covid vaccine on the other hand is targeted at one particular strain of the virus, and at least at this point, ridding ourselves of that strain could make a huge difference.

Flu vaccine = 50%-ish efficacy
Covid vaccine = 90%-ish efficacy

It's a perfect comparison if the goal is to save other people's lives, not necessarily your own.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

It's a perfect comparison if the goal is to save other people's lives, not necessarily your own.

It's not the perfect comparison at all.

There's one strain of covid that's dominant in this country. It can probably be largely eradicated if a large percentage of the population gets the vaccine. So, in essence, if we all band together, we can make a difference for the public good. That's a large part of the argument for getting the Covid vaccine.

That's not remotely the case for the flu vaccine. Yes, in theory, getting that vaccine reduces the risk that you get the flu and also reduces the risk that others get the flu that season. And that's a positive! But it doesn't remotely eradicate the flu going forward. And the flu itself isn't as deadly as Covid.

Your agument is like saying, "If you don't wash your hands every time you get home, you're a total hypocrite by arguing for the Covid vaccine because by not washing your hands you could get sick and then get others sick."

Similarly, I got very ill with the flu going to the Chiefs/Texans playoff game a couple years ago. I'm sure I got it on the flight seated next to some guy. I should stop traveling altogether going forward based on your argument because I'm more likely to get sick and more likely to transmit it to others if I continue to go to Chiefs games.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

It's not the perfect comparison at all.

There's one strain of covid that's dominant in this country. It can probably be largely eradicated if a large percentage of the population gets the vaccine. So, in essence, if we all band together, we can make a difference for the public good. That's a large part of the argument for getting the Covid vaccine.

That's not remotely the case for the flu vaccine. Yes, in theory, getting that vaccine reduces the risk that you get the flu and also reduces the risk that others get the flu that season. And that's a positive! But it doesn't remotely eradicate the flu going forward. And the flu itself isn't as deadly as Covid.

Your agument is like saying, "If you don't wash your hands every time you get home, you're a total hypocrite by arguing for the Covid vaccine because by not washing your hands you could get sick and then get others sick."

Similarly, I got very ill with the flu going to the Chiefs/Texans playoff game a couple years ago. I'm sure I got it on the flight seated next to some guy. I should stop traveling altogether going forward based on your argument because I'm more likely to get sick and more likely to transmit it to others if I continue to go to Chiefs games.

It is a perfect comparison to the point I'm attempting to make, however poorly I'm doing it.

If getting the covid vaccine knowing you have a 99.something% of not dying of the disease is the best thing for everyone else, the same logic should be used during flu season. It doesn't matter how effective the flu shot is going into flu season. Hope for the best that it is effective, which eliminates you transmitting the flu to someone down the line where it could prove to be fatal.