Not starting Patrick Mahomes II in 2017 - good idea or bad idea?

[Rain Man]

Some of you may know that Patrick Mahomes II was drafted in 2017. He watched 15 of the 16 regular season games from the sideline, and he watched the Jeff Triplette abomination from the same locale.

My question to you, brilliant Kansas City Chiefs fans, is whether that was a good move or a bad move long term.

There are many facets to consider in this situation. I'll list a few, and you will likely identify more.

Would we have made the playoffs in 2017 with a Mahomes-Led Team (MLT)?
Would we have gone further in the playoffs with an MLT?
Would we get one more career year from Mahomes to enjoy in that situation?
Mahomes learned from Alex
Alex's trade value was impacted by starting in 2017.
Would more film have impacted Mahomes' legendary 2018 season?
Would more playing experience have impacted Mahomes' legendary 2018 season?
We lost a year of Mahomes' non-billion dollar rookie contract.
Would it have impacted Mahomes' chemistry with future consensus all-pro Gehrig Dieter?

You'll be receiving a poll faster than Patrick Mahomes II throws to Kelce over the middle.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by -King-

Good. Everybody has talked about how much having a year to learn from Reid and Alex helped him. A year to literally just learn with no pressure to perform was really good for him and we see how much his mechanics have improved while still retaining his uniqueness.

This

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

The Chiefs have shown the model of developing a QB to the rest of the league on how to do it IF they afford themselves the opportunity in the future which I think organizations will start to do in order to reduce the risk of a 1st rd QB bust.

I think you will see organizations really begin to put more of an emphasis on finding 'that guy' who 'really knows the QB position' and is that right person for the QB coach position.

The Chiefs strategy only works if you have a good QB in the first place like Alex. Bills tried to let Josh Allen sit for a year, but Peterman was so bad they were forced to let Allen play.

[Trivers]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

A superb idea. Mahomes improved big time. I'm glad he spent a year coaching himself out of bad habits. Can't be said enough how much he's improved. I think rushing him might have turned him into a career freelancer. I'm glad he's become much more than that.

And God forbid Pat had a lukewarm playoff performance. Everyone might second guess the Alex trade. And the dipshits would always doubt whether Alex would have won instead. That playoff loss allowed us a clean break from Alex and we got a sweet trade for a starter, not a backup.

The script this season could not have been written any better. He started the season with an explosive first month. Got the media and fans all on board the bandwagon. Now he's a good bet for MVP. We beat Pittsburgh finally. We beat Indy in Arrowhead. And now we're going to get the New England monkey off our back tomorrow. Who knows if that script is nearly as clean if Mahomes has to enter this season as a playoff loser.

/thread

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by DRM08

The Chiefs strategy only works if you have a good QB in the first place like Alex. Bills tried to let Josh Allen sit for a year, but Peterman was so bad they were forced to let Allen play.

Don't even need an Alex Smith. A journeyman like Chad Henne is a good enough placeholder, as long as you have a coach/GM who have the full confidence of the owner to stay the course and not put a guy in too early.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by DRM08

The Chiefs strategy only works if you have a good QB in the first place like Alex. Bills tried to let Josh Allen sit for a year, but Peterman was so bad they were forced to let Allen play.

As does many organizations and why they will trend to attempt to put themselves in a luxury position for when that time occurs for changing of the guard. What you really can't know or count on is a decent starting QB who is willing to tutor or that rookie QB that is willing to be a sponge(student of the game) because he truly loves the game with both giving you lip service prior.

[Ming the Merciless]

I would say better..I mean..
Hard to argue that we could be in a better spot right now. If anything, starting him last year could've been a huge error somehow

[TimeForWasp]

I just wish they would have had Alex pretend an injury and come out of the Titans game for a few plays to see if Mahomey could have brought us back.

[jjchieffan]

23 people voted worse in the long term. I can't figure out how they can say that. At worst, it's a wash long term. I mean, how how does anyone think that a year on the bench hurt this team in the long term? There are really only 2 options better long term and short term or worse short term but better long term.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

If Alex Smith was a dick to Mahomes and didnt teach him shit not sure Reid or Mahomes would mention it but they certainly wouldnt be praising the guy for helping him.

You also fail to mention Mahomes Dad praising Smith. Again, if he didnt learn anything from Smith not sure Mahomes Dad would mention it but I guarantee you he wouldn't have said this:

Dads understand and appreciate help given to their children. So Pat Mahomes told Smith several times last year how much he appreciated what he did for his boy. Unspoken was the fact that they both knew Patrick was there to take Smith’s job.

“That’s what’s so admirable about what Alex did all season for him,” Pat Mahomes said. “I know how it was when I came up [to the Minnesota Twins, in 1992]. I remember one time that year asking Jack Morris how he threw his split-finger fastball. He said, ‘Get away from me, you little … You’ll be trying to take my job next year.’”


And to say that Mahomes is same player he was in college is stupid. You really think he learned absolutely nothing at all by sitting one-year? Come on now...

I didn't say Alex was a jackass, but explain to me what Alex taught Mahomes. Alex has nothing to do with Patrick's success. If Mahomes played last year he would have had a better season than Alex and we probably have a Superbowl and we're talking about a repeat.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Hindsight is always 20/20.

I never wanted Mahomes to sit.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I didn't say Alex was a jackass, but explain to me what Alex taught Mahomes. Alex has nothing to do with Patrick's success. If Mahomes played last year he would have had a better season than Alex and we probably have a Superbowl and we're talking about a repeat.

You would have to talk to Reid and Mahomes they are the ones saying he helped Mahomes not me. But to act like Reid wouldn't know if Mahomes should start over Alex Smith when he is a known offensive guru. the one in practices, meetings, former QB coach etc it is hard for me to buy that.

Either way it worked out. Mahomes had an unbelievable year and we got Fuller and some picks for Alex. You can talk hypothetical situations all you want that we'd done this or that w Mahomes last season but you don't know for sure.

[jjchieffan]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I didn't say Alex was a jackass, but explain to me what Alex taught Mahomes. Alex has nothing to do with Patrick's success. If Mahomes played last year he would have had a better season than Alex and we probably have a Superbowl and we're talking about a repeat.

You're right. Mahomes learned nothing on the bench behind Smith. He should have started every game last year. Mahomes, his dad, Reid, and every other source are just a bunch of liars. Thanks for straightening us all out. You're so smart! Tell me, why did you miss your calling? You would no doubt have 20 Superbowl rings by now. SMH.

[TribalElder]

Everything is as it should be

a year to learn is too valuable to quantify

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I don't think you should ever start a rookie QB. The position is too difficult. Throwing them out there early is a great way to ingrain bad habits.

[JakeF]

Good. It allowed Reid and Mahomes to develop a relationship. Reid gained confidence in Mahomes in a way that wouldn't have happened under fire. That confidence let Reid open up the playbook way more than he would have in his 1st season. No Watkins either.