Football The NFL and the rise of superteams

Mecca · 09-20-2019, 08:05 AM

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Star NFL players are beginning to take after their NBA counterparts by taking more control of their careers. And 49ers cornerback Richard Sherman believes it’s ultimately good for the sport.

“I think it’s good for the game just because it gives something different,” Sherman said. “It’s not as predictable.”

Fans of certain teams might disagree. The Raiders recently lost stars Khalil Mack and Antonio Brown. The New York Giants traded superstar receiver Odell Beckham Jr. to the Cleveland Browns for a package including two players and two draft picks. The Jaguars might be in a similar boat with All-Pro cornerback Jalen Ramsey, who reportedly requested a trade away from Jacksonville this week.

The physical nature of the NFL means stars can have a short shelf life, and players are understanding the best ways to maximize their careers can be leveraging their value between the lines to put themselves in situations to succeed. In Beckham’s case, he went from a rebuilding situation under new general manager Dave Gettleman to a team in win-now mode in Cleveland.

Mack held out from the Raiders before last season because the team didn’t want to give him a lucrative contract. He eventually landed with the Chicago Bears via trade, who handed him a six-year, $141 million contract before making a playoff run. The Raiders finished 4-12.

The blueprint may have been created by LeBron James in 2010, when he took his talents to the Miami Heat while creating a super team with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh that won two championships. Then Kevin Durant went to the 73-win Golden State Warriors in 2016 and also won two titles.

This summer, Kawhi Leonard won the NBA Finals MVP with the Toronto Raptors, then signed with the Los Angeles Clippers, making his agreement contingent on the team trading for Paul George. And Durant left behind Golden State’s dynasty to start something new with the Brooklyn Nets, where he teamed up with good friend Kyrie Irving.

It certainly isn’t as easy for stars to team up in the NFL. But NFL players might be in the early stages of a paradigm change that allows them similar agency in dictating their futures.

“I think you see that in a big way,” Sherman said. “And I’m sure the owners don’t like that. I don’t think they ever like to give up any power or for players to effect their power. But I think it’s good for the game. I think it’s good for the game to have some differences.”

The changing philosophy from players could be a significant factor in the upcoming negotiations with owners over the new collective bargaining agreement. The current deal expires after the 2020 season, and players are assuredly looking for more guaranteed dollars in their contracts and better benefits, such as health care provided by the league after their playing careers.

Sherman is a vice present of the NFL Players Association and San Francisco’s team representative. He’s been outspoken for years about subjects such as player safety and rule changes favoring the offense.

The “player empowerment era,” as it’s called in the NBA, could lead to a watered down version in pro football, which could force owners to to make changes with the way they handle their own stars to ensure they don’t want to leave for greener pastures.

“I do think that’s another benefit that’s going to come from this,” said Sherman, “is that I think these organizations are going to treat these players with a lot more respect and admiration, and just appreciation.”

Stars, of course, are the most valuable commodity in pro football, perhaps aside from a once-in-a-generation coach like Bill Belichick, for example. Yet they’re becoming harder and harder to identify in the NFL Draft, which is far from an exact science.

Sherman is an obvious example. He’s one of the best cornerbacks of his generation and a likely Hall of Famer, yet he was a fifth-round draft pick. Tom Brady was a sixth-round draft choice before winning six Super Bowls. And every team has seen its share of first-round flameouts.

It’s all led to teams realizing they might need to trade for a star rather than trying to find one in the draft – and the take the time needed to develop him.

“I think people are starting to realize that first-round picks aren’t as valuable as they used to be,” Sherman said. “It’s what can you do for me now, rather than waiting and developing a player who may develop, may not develop. You’re getting players who you know what they’re going to be, you know what they are. And you’re exchanging the first-round draft capital, which you don’t know what it could be.”

Despite all that, Sherman doesn’t believe the 49ers need to trade any of their valuable draft capital to improve the 49ers, who are off to their first 2-0 start since they went to the Super Bowl following the 2012 season. Fans have clamored for the team to trade for Ramsey even while third-year cornerback Ahkello Witherspoon is playing the best football of his career.

“I think we’re good with what we have,” he said. “We leave it to the front office, I don’t make those decisions. Obviously they feel comfortable with what we had going into the season. That’s why they cut the guys they cut and kept the guys they kept. (I’m) really confident in our guys at every position.”

This is totally coming, the NFL players are jealous of the NBA guys and want to do the same things. Part of me doesn't like it but part of me says we got Patrick Mahomes the guy everyone is going to want to play with....

BigBeauford · 09-20-2019, 08:07 AM

Amnorix · 09-20-2019, 08:08 AM

The NFL just isn't as susceptible to this as the NBA. It takes more than three guys...

That said, the Patriots have benefited from being a destination of choice for players, and BB being able to leverage it. Agents have said that BB tells them "does your guy want every last dollar, or does he want to go to the Super Bowl?" Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

But that's a rarity, and I'm not sure it can exist elsewhere, or with NE once BB retires.

displacedinMN · 09-20-2019, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

The NFL just isn't as susceptible to this as the NBA. It takes more than three guys...

That said, the Patriots have benefited from being a destination of choice for players, and BB being able to leverage it. Agents have said that BB tells them "does your guy want every last dollar, or does he want to go to the Super Bowl?" Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

But that's a rarity, and I'm not sure it can exist elsewhere, or with NE once BB retires.

good answer.

I do not think you can buy a Super Bowl like you can an NBA or MLB championship

Mecca · 09-20-2019, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN

good answer.

I do not think you can buy a Super Bowl like you can an NBA or MLB championship

Denver did....

O.city · 09-20-2019, 08:55 AM

It’s been this way since free agency

Guys wanna win and get paid

If you don’t want them to leave don’t suck ass

**Rain Man** · 09-20-2019, 08:58 AM

This is a terrible thing for the league and for fans. No one wants to watch the same teams winning over and over and over just because the players want to get a cheap ring.

Amnorix · 09-20-2019, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

This is a terrible thing for the league and for fans. No one wants to watch the same teams winning over and over and over just because the players want to get a cheap ring.

The problem is that the NFL -- and most sports honestly -- have seen dynasties that can last quite a while both with and without free agency.

JD10367 · 09-20-2019, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

The NFL just isn't as susceptible to this as the NBA. It takes more than three guys...

That said, the Patriots have benefited from being a destination of choice for players, and BB being able to leverage it. Agents have said that BB tells them "does your guy want every last dollar, or does he want to go to the Super Bowl?" Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

But that's a rarity, and I'm not sure it can exist elsewhere, or with NE once BB retires.

The salary cap is designed to level the playing field but it can’t make up for bad personnel choices. Too many teams whiff on high picks or pricey signings. The Pats are no exception (for example they've pretty much blown every 2nd round pick for 20 years). They’ve made up for it with savvy FA acquisitions. But make no mistake: the Golden Goose is a hard-to-manage alignment of HOF coach and HOF quarterback—which is why the Chiefs will dominate for at least 10 years.

**Rain Man** · 09-20-2019, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

The problem is that the NFL -- and most sports honestly -- have seen dynasties that can last quite a while both with and without free agency.

Yeah, and it's bad enough without being artificially enhanced. The NFL has been working for decades to get parity so that fans don't drift away because there's no reward for them. This phenomenon is a direct reversal of that.

I understand why players would do it, but I put the league above individual players, and this is bad for the league. The NBA has always been unwatchable, but it's even more unwatchable now that everyone knows who'll win at the beginning of each season.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-20-2019, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

The NFL just isn't as susceptible to this as the NBA. It takes more than three guys...

That said, the Patriots have benefited from being a destination of choice for players, and BB being able to leverage it. Agents have said that BB tells them "does your guy want every last dollar, or does he want to go to the Super Bowl?" Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

But that's a rarity, and I'm not sure it can exist elsewhere, or with NE once BB retires.

Agreed. And also players under helmets are harder to market. A lot of nba players care more about sponsorships than they do contracts.

The more interesting case is mlb. Manfred wrecked the game. What was turning into a great league with small market parity has become a big market money grab. No doubt he doctored baseballs to get more home runs. More home runs put a huge advantage on big markets. Superteams are fine, but when it stacks to big markets, that's the big problem.

tmax63 · 09-20-2019, 10:15 AM

Yeah, it really sucks when you go into the season knowing that unless a miracle occurs your team is going to suck. If you start out with half of your viewing audience not thinking their team has a chance I don't see how that is good for football. Basketball put their faith in several elite players picking who wants to play where with whom and I know they lost at least one casual viewer (me) since the team I did root for isn't one of the "chosen".

warrior · 09-20-2019, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Denver did....

Twice

chiefzilla1501 · 09-20-2019, 10:18 AM

Although the downside is we're also seeing superlosers. Too many teams this year are super unwatchable.

UChieffyBugger · 09-20-2019, 10:19 AM

A Dolphins guy thinks we're in the driving seat HERE. Probably means nothing but we've not had any rumours today so I thought I might as well oblige.

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2527050	The NFL and the rise of superteams https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/sa...235283687.html Star NFL players are beginning to take after their NBA counterparts by taking more control of their careers. And 49ers cornerback Richard Sherman believes it’s ultimately good for the sport. “I think it’s good for the game just because it gives something different,” Sherman said. “It’s not as predictable.” Fans of certain teams might disagree. The Raiders recently lost stars Khalil Mack and Antonio Brown. The New York Giants traded superstar receiver Odell Beckham Jr. to the Cleveland Browns for a package including two players and two draft picks. The Jaguars might be in a similar boat with All-Pro cornerback Jalen Ramsey, who reportedly requested a trade away from Jacksonville this week. The physical nature of the NFL means stars can have a short shelf life, and players are understanding the best ways to maximize their careers can be leveraging their value between the lines to put themselves in situations to succeed. In Beckham’s case, he went from a rebuilding situation under new general manager Dave Gettleman to a team in win-now mode in Cleveland. Mack held out from the Raiders before last season because the team didn’t want to give him a lucrative contract. He eventually landed with the Chicago Bears via trade, who handed him a six-year, $141 million contract before making a playoff run. The Raiders finished 4-12. The blueprint may have been created by LeBron James in 2010, when he took his talents to the Miami Heat while creating a super team with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh that won two championships. Then Kevin Durant went to the 73-win Golden State Warriors in 2016 and also won two titles. This summer, Kawhi Leonard won the NBA Finals MVP with the Toronto Raptors, then signed with the Los Angeles Clippers, making his agreement contingent on the team trading for Paul George. And Durant left behind Golden State’s dynasty to start something new with the Brooklyn Nets, where he teamed up with good friend Kyrie Irving. It certainly isn’t as easy for stars to team up in the NFL. But NFL players might be in the early stages of a paradigm change that allows them similar agency in dictating their futures. “I think you see that in a big way,” Sherman said. “And I’m sure the owners don’t like that. I don’t think they ever like to give up any power or for players to effect their power. But I think it’s good for the game. I think it’s good for the game to have some differences.” The changing philosophy from players could be a significant factor in the upcoming negotiations with owners over the new collective bargaining agreement. The current deal expires after the 2020 season, and players are assuredly looking for more guaranteed dollars in their contracts and better benefits, such as health care provided by the league after their playing careers. Sherman is a vice present of the NFL Players Association and San Francisco’s team representative. He’s been outspoken for years about subjects such as player safety and rule changes favoring the offense. The “player empowerment era,” as it’s called in the NBA, could lead to a watered down version in pro football, which could force owners to to make changes with the way they handle their own stars to ensure they don’t want to leave for greener pastures. “I do think that’s another benefit that’s going to come from this,” said Sherman, “is that I think these organizations are going to treat these players with a lot more respect and admiration, and just appreciation.” Stars, of course, are the most valuable commodity in pro football, perhaps aside from a once-in-a-generation coach like Bill Belichick, for example. Yet they’re becoming harder and harder to identify in the NFL Draft, which is far from an exact science. Sherman is an obvious example. He’s one of the best cornerbacks of his generation and a likely Hall of Famer, yet he was a fifth-round draft pick. Tom Brady was a sixth-round draft choice before winning six Super Bowls. And every team has seen its share of first-round flameouts. It’s all led to teams realizing they might need to trade for a star rather than trying to find one in the draft – and the take the time needed to develop him. “I think people are starting to realize that first-round picks aren’t as valuable as they used to be,” Sherman said. “It’s what can you do for me now, rather than waiting and developing a player who may develop, may not develop. You’re getting players who you know what they’re going to be, you know what they are. And you’re exchanging the first-round draft capital, which you don’t know what it could be.” Despite all that, Sherman doesn’t believe the 49ers need to trade any of their valuable draft capital to improve the 49ers, who are off to their first 2-0 start since they went to the Super Bowl following the 2012 season. Fans have clamored for the team to trade for Ramsey even while third-year cornerback Ahkello Witherspoon is playing the best football of his career. “I think we’re good with what we have,” he said. “We leave it to the front office, I don’t make those decisions. Obviously they feel comfortable with what we had going into the season. That’s why they cut the guys they cut and kept the guys they kept. (I’m) really confident in our guys at every position.” This is totally coming, the NFL players are jealous of the NBA guys and want to do the same things. Part of me doesn't like it but part of me says we got Patrick Mahomes the guy everyone is going to want to play with....
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