Chiefs Fire Bob Sutton - Page 114

**petegz28** · 10-19-2017, 10:12 PM

That is all.

Sassy Squatch · 10-16-2018, 12:10 PM

Bottom line is the Chiefs have less than 11 weeks to attempt to salvage this defense and then its do or die time. Veach and Sutton better ****ing get busy.

11Chiefs · 10-16-2018, 12:11 PM

When you best "defense" is playing with a lead, it's time for a change. #byebyebob

**gblowfish** · 10-16-2018, 12:19 PM

I understand those that are saying 20% of our salary cap is standing on the sidelines in street clothes (Houston and Berry) and you can't reasonably expect Grandpa Bob to make Chicken Salad out of Chicken Shit. But Veach spent most of our draft on defense, and we brought in two linebackers -Ragland and Hitchins- and traded Alex for Fuller, and brought in two run stopping DLs -one free agent and one draft pick- and this defense is actually WORSE than our defense from last year. It's amazing to me how people have just shined off the home playoff loss to Tennessee last year which was a total defensive collapse, plus the collapse against the Colts in the playoff game at Indy. Who was coaching both of those teams? Andy and Grandpa Bob. You have to adapt your tactics to your healthy personnel. Other teams do it, Grandpa Bob seems to be clueless. Nobody expects them to be the 85 Bears, but being the absolute worst defense on surrendered yardage in NFL history??? Guys like Chris Jones and Dee Ford should be totally embarrassed by that. They're both high draft picks, and they're big parts of the weakest, softest, easiest to run AND pass against defense in NFL history. Somebody needs to get pissed and start making some tackles.

**dirk digler** · 10-16-2018, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

What put me over the top is looking at Hitchens. I know who that guy is. Saw nearly every college snap and watched him quite a bit in Dallas. He's trash here and I know, deep down, he's a good player.

So I basically was torn between Hitchens and Sutton. I'm going with Hitchens. Gotta trust my gut, I guess.

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Originally Posted by RunKC

htismage might have to confirm this since he’s an Iowa fan, but I’m pretty sure Hitchens has played in a 4-3 his entire career.

We saw what it looks like to adjust to a 3-4 from DJ and Tamba. It wasn’t easy at first.

I’m not sure Bob can simplify that either. 3-4 ILB’s have more responsibility bc they have to cover more ground.

I’m wondering if this is the issue.

Listening to the radio this morning and they had some guy on he said in Dallas Hitchens played on the weak side and now he is inside and has to make all the calls. It is completely different than what he did in Dallas.

**The Franchise** · 10-16-2018, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Listening to the radio this morning and they had some guy on he said in Dallas Hitchens played on the weak side and now he is inside and has to make all the calls. It is completely different than what he did in Dallas.

Well if they gave him a contract of that size....then they assumed that he could do it.

Beef Supreme · 10-16-2018, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

Well if they gave him a contract of that size....then they assumed that he could do it.

Yeah, our new GM assumes lots of guys can play out of position.

**The Franchise** · 10-16-2018, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Supreme

Yeah, our new GM assumes lots of guys can play out of position.

You don't think that Sutton had to sign off on it as well?

Hammock Parties · 10-16-2018, 12:23 PM

That's wrong. Hitchens was the MLB in Dallas.

htismaqe · 10-16-2018, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

htismage might have to confirm this since he’s an Iowa fan, but I’m pretty sure Hitchens has played in a 4-3 his entire career.

We saw what it looks like to adjust to a 3-4 from DJ and Tamba. It wasn’t easy at first.

I’m not sure Bob can simplify that either. 3-4 ILB’s have more responsibility bc they have to cover more ground.

I’m wondering if this is the issue.

I confirmed it in the other thread.

Iowa plays a 4-3. Specifically, Hitchens played the Will OUTSIDE. He wasn't ever a middle back that I can remember.

Now, in the 3-4, the weak side ILB is similar to the OLB in the 4-3 because your weak side OLB is a pass rush specialist. But it's still an adjustment.

Beef Supreme · 10-16-2018, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

You don't think that Sutton had to sign off on it as well?

I don't know what to think. I'm sure he probably did. It's a combined effort to be this ****ing bad.

**dirk digler** · 10-16-2018, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

Well if they gave him a contract of that size....then they assumed that he could do it.

Not disagreeing with you.

htismaqe · 10-16-2018, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

That's wrong. Hitchens was the MLB in Dallas.

Hitchens actually played all 3 linebacker positions in Dallas. He played on the weak side first, then moved to Sam and then to Mike as they lost starters.

htismaqe · 10-16-2018, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

You don't think that Sutton had to sign off on it as well?

Here's the thing I can't wrap my head around - if Sutton has a BIG say in who we draft, why the radical difference between Ford/Kpass and Speaks. Speaks is like a 180-degree departure from the other 2 in terms of skill set and the one thing that changed was the GM.

**dirk digler** · 10-16-2018, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

That's wrong. Hitchens was the MLB in Dallas.

I always thought Sean Lee was when he actually was healthy and played.

htismaqe · 10-16-2018, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I always thought Sean Lee was when he actually was healthy and played.

Sean Lee played in Ryan's 3-4 too. He's been all over.

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gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17606178 VARSITY	I understand those that are saying 20% of our salary cap is standing on the sidelines in street clothes (Houston and Berry) and you can't reasonably expect Grandpa Bob to make Chicken Salad out of Chicken Shit. But Veach spent most of our draft on defense, and we brought in two linebackers -Ragland and Hitchins- and traded Alex for Fuller, and brought in two run stopping DLs -one free agent and one draft pick- and this defense is actually WORSE than our defense from last year. It's amazing to me how people have just shined off the home playoff loss to Tennessee last year which was a total defensive collapse, plus the collapse against the Colts in the playoff game at Indy. Who was coaching both of those teams? Andy and Grandpa Bob. You have to adapt your tactics to your healthy personnel. Other teams do it, Grandpa Bob seems to be clueless. Nobody expects them to be the 85 Bears, but being the absolute worst defense on surrendered yardage in NFL history??? Guys like Chris Jones and Dee Ford should be totally embarrassed by that. They're both high draft picks, and they're big parts of the weakest, softest, easiest to run AND pass against defense in NFL history. Somebody needs to get pissed and start making some tackles.
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