***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

So tired of hearing how this is “the new normal”.

This isn’t gonna last forever guys

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

So tired of hearing how this is “the new normal”.

This isn’t gonna last forever guys

The experts told us it will, so..

[Fish]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

So if I have diabetes and die in the hospital on a ventilator from covid, did I die of diabetes and not covid? If I'm in the hospital on a ventilator for 12 days and ultimately I have a stroke, did I die from stroke and not covid? Because that's what this nonsense is implying.

No one ever said that comorbitities weren't a factor in most covid deaths. We've mentioned them probably 10,000 times in this thread. Excess deaths are still massively up in the last 6 months. Only someone who isn't paying attention at all, or is deliberately spreading misinformation, interprets this 6% thing as some kind of bombshell.

This is of course true. But some idiots will do anything to try and frame covid in a negative light.

The truth is that ~80% of people in the entire world have at least 1 existing comorbidity. The data regarding covid has always included comorbidities. This isn't something new or something that's been changed. But they still think it's some kind of "Gotcha."

As I stated in another thread, have you ever once heard anyone complain about comorbidity issues in cancer deaths? Have you heard a single person ever complain about someone with cancer dying of a comorbidity when the death is attributed to cancer? Because that happens all the time. Comorbidity rates have always existed for every medical condition. The comorbidity angle is only being used because this is a highly politicized topic. If you want the real picture, look at excess deaths regardless of cause. Which is over 200,000 for the year. Those are accurate numbers that can't be fudged. Go ahead and try and explain that away. 200,000 more deaths this year than the running average, and counting. Anyone who can simply shrug that number away is a damn fool.

[Donger]

Might be helpful regarding the 6% "bombshell"

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

So tired of hearing how this is “the new normal”.

This isn’t gonna last forever guys

There are some people, a few of them on here even, that just can't help themselves. We have seen this from day 1. If you're not "afraid" you don't care. If you're not willing to take every anecdotal instance of something negative and grasp onto it like gospel then you don't care. If you actually accept any good news to any degree then you just don't ****ing care.


There have certainly been points of pain throughout this ordeal for sure. Some have even been legitimate. In many cases though, as we have seen now multiple times in Kansas, the data is simply presented in ways that I will just say push the border on what is factual and what is not.

Kansas for example claimed this last week they were #6 in the nation for % positives. What they didn't tell you is they are the second lowest testing state and those that are being tested have symptoms or have knowingly been exposed to people who have.

So they took a pool of people who already leaned to one side of the probability scale, tested them then presented it as if they tested random people.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Fish

This is of course true. But some idiots will do anything to try and frame covid in a negative light.

The truth is that ~80% of people in the entire world have at least 1 existing comorbidity. The data regarding covid has always included comorbidities. This isn't something new or something that's been changed. But they still think it's some kind of "Gotcha."

As I stated in another thread, have you ever once heard anyone complain about comorbidity issues in cancer deaths? Have you heard a single person ever complain about someone with cancer dying of a comorbidity when the death is attributed to cancer? Because that happens all the time. Comorbidity rates have always existed for every medical condition. The comorbidity angle is only being used because this is a highly politicized topic. If you want the real picture, look at excess deaths regardless of cause. Which is over 200,000 for the year. Those are accurate numbers that can't be fudged. Go ahead and try and explain that away. 200,000 more deaths this year than the running average, and counting. Anyone who can simply shrug that number away is a damn fool.

It’s a big number for sure. We also have 330 million people here and we seem to shrug over other preventable outcomes year after year.

I don’t have the answer for all this. No one does. But the fighting and absolutes get us no where

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Fish

This is of course true. But some idiots will do anything to try and frame covid in a negative light.

The truth is that ~80% of people in the entire world have at least 1 existing comorbidity. The data regarding covid has always included comorbidities. This isn't something new or something that's been changed. But they still think it's some kind of "Gotcha."

As I stated in another thread, have you ever once heard anyone complain about comorbidity issues in cancer deaths? Have you heard a single person ever complain about someone with cancer dying of a comorbidity when the death is attributed to cancer? Because that happens all the time. Comorbidity rates have always existed for every medical condition. The comorbidity angle is only being used because this is a highly politicized topic. If you want the real picture, look at excess deaths regardless of cause. Which is over 200,000 for the year. Those are accurate numbers that can't be fudged. Go ahead and try and explain that away. 200,000 more deaths this year than the running average, and counting. Anyone who can simply shrug that number away is a damn fool.

Where are you getting the excess death #'s from? I am not saying you are wrong but the latest list I saw which I admit I am not sure where it came from, showed that most states are on par or even below where they were last year.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Where are you getting the excess death #'s from? I am not saying you are wrong but the latest list I saw which I admit I am not sure where it came from, showed that most states are on par or even below where they were last year.

Take a look. That's US data only: https://www.sciencealert.com/2020-ha...-the-us-so-far

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

See this is part of the problem. This is the way it works for all instances. If you have COPD and you die of congestive heart failure that is going to be what is put on your death certificate not COPD.

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Then say that. Say hey the death stats might be inflated because someone of these extreme cases (although excess deaths suggest the covid death count is actually low by 10-20%).

Don't say "ZOMG only 6% actually died of covid" (which the president retweeted but the original has since been taken down by twitter). That's active disinformation.

This is what bugs me the most. It seems like the anti-covid side wants to switch back and forth between blatant nonsense disinformation (for the low-info crowd), but then be taken seriously in almost the same breath when they want to get real. It shows bad faith to me. They're not trying to arrive at any truth - just win the debate by any tactic that works with whatever audience they have in front of them.

And then when called out on something like this that they can't wriggle out of, the anti-covid disinformation peddlers will just switch to "but both sides do it!" without feeling the need to offer any evidence to that claim. Yes there is some dumb stuff out there from both sides. But both sides do not do it to the same degree and at the same top levels of the media they consume. One side has basically every virologist and epidemiologist in the world on their side. IE - none think it's a big overblown hoax, while they can still disagree on aspects of the disease - which is normal and healthy. The other has some youtube videos of quack doctors peddling HCQ and saying ZOMG 6% BOMBSHELL!!!

Guys like me, O.City, TLO, donger and fish just want to figure out what's actually going on. As do many others itt. But guys like clay just want to spew propaganda. That's the stuff that I'm glad is for the most part not allowed in this thread. There's a reason clay started that thread in DC. He knows he'd get shot down here. He doesn't care if it's true and on some level I bet he knows it isn't. He just wants to spread propaganda.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Then say that. Don't say "ZOMG only 6% actually died of covid" (which the president retweeted but the original has since been taken down by twitter). That's active disinformation.

That would not keep the hype up or the controversy that keeps the divisiveness going so people can play their agendas. It is unfortunate but true.

[O.city]

Hospitalizations coming down here in our area. Down to only 10 in ICU.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

Hospitalizations coming down here in our area. Down to only 10 in ICU.

yeah but MSU has 400 CASES

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by O.city

Hospitalizations coming down here in our area. Down to only 10 in ICU.

My next door neighbor did his part in bringing that number down. RIP

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

yeah but MSU has 400 CASES

OMG! .001 of those people could maybe get lung damage, perhaps!

[loochy]

Originally Posted by stumppy

My next door neighbor did his part in bringing that number down. RIP

Old fella?