The Myth that Nelson Sucks

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We have a RB literally tackled in the open field when it appeared a ball could be being thrown to him and no flag came out. Guys were hanging off Kelce on a key play inside the 10 and again - nothing. There were just obviously game-changing non-calls that weren't even close judgment scenarios - they were obvious fouls right in the middle of the field and right in front of officials.

That Patriots game was one of the most unbelievably biased games I have ever seen; we got absolutely cornholed.

And what did we hear afterwards? How the Patriots discipline won them the game. Hell no it didn't - they were no more 'disciplined' than we were, they just got away with friggen murder.

The worst for me was when they finally called one then threw that BS flag on Fuller on the other side of the field to offset the OPI on Edelman. It was clearly not a hold and had no effect on the play whatsoever.

No proof though, right?

[Direckshun]

So here's a theory.

Steven Nelson is about to hit free agency in 2019. Chiefs are on the phone, and they're offering 3 years at 8m/year or whatever. Nelson's agent tells him a couple teams will offer him 11m/year.

Nelson is a supremely confident guy but he can't ignore the Marcus Peters situation, can he? Peters' lack of system fit and worse coaching than what he had in Kansas City has probably now cost him tens of millions of dollars on his next contract.

Any chance Nelson looks at that and thinks to himself he could make more money long term by staying a Chief?

Sure he loses about $9m total, comparing a 3 year/$8m per year deal to a 3 year/$11m per year deal another team might offer him.

But!

He'd almost certainly have a shot at a real money contract in 2022, whereas if his play fell off on another team with worse coaching, his big money contract days may be over.

Anybody else think that's a real possibility? I need BossChief in here; this feels like a very BossChief theory.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

So here's a theory.

Steven Nelson is about to hit free agency in 2019. Chiefs are on the phone, and they're offering 3 years at 8m/year or whatever. Nelson's agent tells him a couple teams will offer him 11m/year.

Nelson is a supremely confident guy but he can't ignore the Marcus Peters situation, can he? Peters' lack of system fit and worse coaching than what he had in Kansas City has probably now cost him tens of millions of dollars on his next contract.

Any chance Nelson looks at that and thinks to himself he could make more money long term by staying a Chief?

Sure he loses about $9m total, comparing a 3 year/$8m per year deal to a 3 year/$11m per year deal another team might offer him.

But!

He'd almost certainly have a shot at a real money contract in 2022, whereas if his play fell off on another team with worse coaching, his big money contract days may be over.

Anybody else think that's a real possibility? I need BossChief in here; this feels like a very BossChief theory.

Form what I’ve seen on his social media, Nelson is going for the bag this year. I don’t think that will factor in at all.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

So here's a theory.

Steven Nelson is about to hit free agency in 2019. Chiefs are on the phone, and they're offering 3 years at 8m/year or whatever. Nelson's agent tells him a couple teams will offer him 11m/year.

Nelson is a supremely confident guy but he can't ignore the Marcus Peters situation, can he? Peters' lack of system fit and worse coaching than what he had in Kansas City has probably now cost him tens of millions of dollars on his next contract.

Any chance Nelson looks at that and thinks to himself he could make more money long term by staying a Chief?

Sure he loses about $9m total, comparing a 3 year/$8m per year deal to a 3 year/$11m per year deal another team might offer him.

But!

He'd almost certainly have a shot at a real money contract in 2022, whereas if his play fell off on another team with worse coaching, his big money contract days may be over.

Anybody else think that's a real possibility? I need BossChief in here; this feels like a very BossChief theory.

Anyone in the NFL who's willing to take less money on his 2nd deal (a 3 yr deal no less) to try to make money in his 3rd deal (at 29 yrs old) is an idiot. I mean a truly unmitigated idiot.

There is no way in hell I would ever recommend that to an NFL player if I were his agent, especially a 'skill' player. You're literally 1 step away from never being relevant again.

On that 2nd deal, you get every thin red guaranteed dime you can and you worry about 3 years from now in 3 years because the odds overwhelmingly suggest that you're going to be of little use to anyone by then anyway.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Anyone in the NFL who's willing to take less money on his 2nd deal (a 3 yr deal no less) to try to make money in his 3rd deal (at 29 yrs old) is an idiot. I mean a truly unmitigated idiot.

There is no way in hell I would ever recommend that to an NFL player if I were his agent, especially a 'skill' player. You're literally 1 step away from never being relevant again.

On that 2nd deal, you get every thin red guaranteed dime you can and you worry about 3 years from now in 3 years because the odds overwhelmingly suggest that you're going to be of little use to anyone by then anyway.

This.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Buckweath

#11 CB as per PFF.

But don't say that. Fans want to keep saying Dorsey was so poor at drafting and as a GM.

He is not the reason why the offense is historically good but he is the reason why this defense is supposedly terrible. Ok.

And what about that guy earlier in the thread who was saying Nelson has been bad. Ok sure lol.

Dorsey's drafts were go good they are disgusting.

2013

Eric Fisher
Travis Kelce
Knile Davis
Nico Johnson
Sanders Commings (not a bust, just couldn't stay healthy)
Braden Wilson
Mike Catapano

2014

Dee Ford
Phillip Gaines
De'Anthony Thomas
Aaron Murray
Zach Fulton
Laurent Duvernay-Tardif

2015

Marcus Peters
Mitch Morse
Chris Conley
Steven Nelson
Ramik Wilson
DJ Alexander
James O'Shaughnessy
Rakeem Nunez-Rochez
Da'Ron Brown

2016

Chris Jones
KeiVarae Russell
Parker Ehinger
Eric Murray
Demarcus Robinson
Kevin Hogan
Tyreek Hill
DJ White
Dadi Nicholas

2017

Patrick Mahomes
Tanoh Kpassagnon
Kareem Hunt
Jehu Chesson
Ukeme Eligwe
Leon McQuay

You can debate a player here or there but that is ****ing disgustingly awesome.

When we fired him, I figured the odds of me seeing a Kansas City Super Bowl ever again were dashed.

But he did give us Mahomes.

[RunKC]

Do not pay this guy. He is simply not worth it.

He’s had one good year of production that would warrant a 2nd contract, and that’s with him benefiting from the best pass rush in the league. Is there really any disparity between him and Scandrick, who is making pennies?

Draft a corner early and keep Scandrick. Seriously this system helps corners.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Do not pay LDT. He is simply not worth it.

He’s had one good year of production that would warrant a 2nd contract, and that’s with him benefiting from playing next to Mitchell Schwartz. Is there really any disparity between him and Zach Fulton, who is making pennies?

You in 2017, probably.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Do not pay this guy. He is simply not worth it.

He’s had one good year of production that would warrant a 2nd contract, and that’s with him benefiting from the best pass rush in the league. Is there really any disparity between him and Scandrick, who is making pennies?

Draft a corner early and keep Scandrick. Seriously this system helps corners.

The idea of the top CB following the top WR sounds great in theory, but I was thinking about how many quick routes and option routes teams are running these days and I think there's a HUGE benefit to staying at home.

Think about it - most NFL offenses are righthanded and thats the way the progressions read because that's just how quarterbacks drop back. So as a general rule (not a constant, but a general rule), your quicker developing routes and especially route combos are to the right side of the offense.

So if you're a CB that just stays on that side, you see a handful of route combos more frequently over on the right side. If you're a guy on the other side, you'll see a handful of route combinations a little more frequently on that side.

Playing defensive back in this era where you can't blast guys and contact is a problem, an era with fast developing routes and lots of space, requires an exceptional ability to recognize, diagnose and react. That HAS to be improved with familiarity.

So if you're a CB that plays exclusively on the right side of the offense, you're going to see those little keys that give away something like a flat/slant combo. If you're on the left side of the offense, you're going to be a little better at diagnosing those smash concepts.

It's not going to hit 100% of the time by any means, but even a 10% more likely occurrence is going to pay dividends over the course of a long season.

Granted, I've become a 'shutdown corners are overvalued and overpriced' guy so of course I believe this - it matches my particular outlook. But I also think it's just more evidence of said outlook. Give me 2 solid corners that I can leave where they are to gain familiarity with those more frequently used concepts and I'm going to be better off than the defense that has a 'lockdown' CB chasing a dude across the field, IMO.

Sutton's approach here is either stubborn and the league simply came to him, or it's been extremely smart all along...

[The Franchise]

The #Chiefs lowest ranked corner according to @pff is Orlando Scandrick. His overall grade is 70.3 which ranks 33th overall. KC currently has three top 35 corners. I’ll be damned.

— Chiefs Central (@ChiefsCentral) November 14, 2018

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Pest

The #Chiefs lowest ranked corner according to @pff is Orlando Scandrick. His overall grade is 70.3 which ranks 33th overall. KC currently has three top 35 corners. I’ll be damned.

— Chiefs Central (@ChiefsCentral) November 14, 2018

Again - 46 defense this week.

It's gonna be tough for the corners, but they've done solid work thus far. Let them prove it - none of the Rams corners are that sort of Julio Jones combination of size/strength/speed. None of them are impossibly difficult matchups.

Get in a 46 look and MAKE them beat you. Do not let Todd !@#$ing Gurley pick us apart 6-8 yards at a time. If Cooks, Woods or Reynolds end up beating you for 6, fine. Take the ball back and go score.

But you cannot let them keep that D on the field for 35+ minutes by abusing us with Gurley. These corners have earned the chance to prove their mettle.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Again - 46 defense this week.

It's gonna be tough for the corners, but they've done solid work thus far. Let them prove it - none of the Rams corners are that sort of Julio Jones combination of size/strength/speed. None of them are impossibly difficult matchups.

Get in a 46 look and MAKE them beat you. Do not let Todd !@#$ing Gurley pick us apart 6-8 yards at a time. If Cooks, Woods or Reynolds end up beating you for 6, fine. Take the ball back and go score.

But you cannot let them keep that D on the field for 35+ minutes by abusing us with Gurley. These corners have earned the chance to prove their mettle.

No lie, this is all about stopping Gurley

Bottle him up in the run AND pass - win

Let him run wild and catch easy passes - lose

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

No lie, this is all about stopping Gurley

Bottle him up in the run AND pass - win

Let him run wild and catch easy passes - lose

This is one of those games that can have me turnin' on old Bob.

I think I've been among his few fairly ardent supporters this year. But if we end up going out there and getting our asses kicked in a Cover 2 while Gurley abuses Ragland/Hitchens and Parker gets run the !@#$ over, I will not be pleased.

This is a 'pick your poison' game and I think the one that might kill you is preferable to the one that will kill you.

Goff may beat us up in a 46 - he's a no shit elite downfield passer. It's easily his greatest strength, IMO. That guy has downfield accuracy that is presently unrivaled in the league. A cover-1 look against him is legitimately terrifying, especially with a deep threat like Cooks who will absolutely get behind Nelson a few times.

But if he's waiting for those to develop and we can hang for just a couple of seconds, that's when the rush does its thing. That's when Plan B can help us if Plan A fails.

But if it's just Gurley killing us all day via short throws that eliminate the rush and runs that take advantage of our fairly porous run D....there's no Plan B there - you just get pushed down the field like we did in the playoffs against TN.

If Bob isn't openly and obviously scheming to prevent that, Imma be pissed.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

especially with a deep threat like Cooks who will absolutely get behind Nelson a few times.

Beaver on Beaver.

Every time I watch the Rams, they will hit that pass to Gurley out of the backfield over and over I don't understand how defenders can lose track of him so often. You would think covering their best player would be a priority.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Again - 46 defense this week.

It's gonna be tough for the corners, but they've done solid work thus far. Let them prove it - none of the Rams corners are that sort of Julio Jones combination of size/strength/speed. None of them are impossibly difficult matchups.

Get in a 46 look and MAKE them beat you. Do not let Todd !@#$ing Gurley pick us apart 6-8 yards at a time. If Cooks, Woods or Reynolds end up beating you for 6, fine. Take the ball back and go score.

But you cannot let them keep that D on the field for 35+ minutes by abusing us with Gurley. These corners have earned the chance to prove their mettle.

We have the best pass rush in the NFL. Stack the box and get after Goff.

Let's do it