Chiefs Forget Peterson and Ramsey - Page 4

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07:24 AM

@Chiefs source says the team isn’t interested in @Jaguars CB @jalenramsey now that he wants a trade. Source says the team’s locker room “is too good right now.” The team did ask @AZCardinals about CB Patrick Peterson earlier this year and was “emphatically told no.”
— Jeffri Chadiha (@jeffrichadiha) September 17, 2019

Regarding Jalen Ramsey: I think the Chiefs will continue to monitor the CB monitor. However, I would not expect a hard push for Ramsey.

Ramsey will require a lot of capital via picks and a new deal, and the Chiefs have have Mahomes and Chris Jones' deals to work through. https://t.co/R5hUZO69fi
— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) September 17, 2019

O.city · 09-17-2019, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

Not when your main competition to get to a Super Bowl completely and utterly neutralizes your pass rush.

You need a lock down CB to beat New England...period.

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Originally Posted by Mecca

How dominant can you be when everyone's scheme is to throw the ball in 2 seconds?

Look at how NE is built, there is some argument that building back to front is smarter for today's rules and schemes.

It's not one or the other with NE. You build the back end up, they're gonna mash you with the run. Vice versa etc etc.

It'll take a good overall defense everywhere to beat them. Cover and make Brady hold onto it and stop the run.

O.city · 09-17-2019, 08:02 AM

Look at me being all reserved about trading our picks. I'm proud of myself.

Mecca · 09-17-2019, 08:03 AM

Basically you need a front that is gap sound and can defend the run. You pay money to the back end and hope that on big plays they can cover long enough to let the pressure get there but for the 80% of the time everyone is throwing in 2 seconds they get the job done because those plays really don't matter to the DL.

I'm coming around to this belief, I'm fine with having 1 guy on the DL that is high end but I think building front to back and the DL hiding the secondary isn't true anymore with how everyone plays.

When teams are shotgun spread and throwing the ball in 2 seconds your DL does not matter.

Mecca · 09-17-2019, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It's not one or the other with NE. You build the back end up, they're gonna mash you with the run. Vice versa etc etc.

It'll take a good overall defense everywhere to beat them. Cover and make Brady hold onto it and stop the run.

I can build a front of gap sound solid players that probably cost less than Frank Clark by himself.

Simply Red · 09-17-2019, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Gotta think this changes by the trade deadline. ARZ is stupid to keep PP

yip!

Simply Red · 09-17-2019, 08:05 AM

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oldman · 09-17-2019, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

You need a lock down CB to beat New England...period.

So does NE need a lock down CB to beat Kansas City? Face it, NE gets 6 almost sure wins a year. Until that changes, you need to worry about beating the other 30 teams that don't have Brady. Two 1's and a massive contract is too much to pay for Ramsey.

Jerm · 09-17-2019, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman

So does NE need a lock down CB to beat Kansas City? Face it, NE gets 6 almost sure wins a year. Until that changes, you need to worry about beating the other 30 teams that don't have Brady. Two 1's and a massive contract is too much to pay for Ramsey.

They have one in Gilmore....they have an elite secondary.

They've built back to front and keep winning Super Bowls so you tell me....

Mecca · 09-17-2019, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman

So does NE need a lock down CB to beat Kansas City? Face it, NE gets 6 almost sure wins a year. Until that changes, you need to worry about beating the other 30 teams that don't have Brady. Two 1's and a massive contract is too much to pay for Ramsey.

They already got one......

O.city · 09-17-2019, 08:08 AM

If it were just our single first that would get it done, maybe.

But 2 and a contract? Nah.

O.city · 09-17-2019, 08:09 AM

They don't have a dominant pass rushing DL, they just have an all around good defense that's built well.

Mecca · 09-17-2019, 08:10 AM

I'd take Ramsey over Jones if I had to pick, I think I can find another productive DT over finding a high level CB.

In reality I don't think they'll get 2 1's.

I think if we offered a 1 and a conditional 3 for the next year they'd probably do that.

**MahiMike** · 09-17-2019, 08:12 AM

As much as Ramsey is a great player, he's Marcus Peters 2.0.

Mecca · 09-17-2019, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

As much as Ramsey is a great player, he's Marcus Peters 2.0.

That isn't a good comparison, Ramsey is a far better player and he's on a team where the offense is driving him nuts because the defense is carrying that team and nothing changes.

The fact that in that coach argument 2 players jumped up to back the coach off says that isn't all Ramsey.

FAH-Q · 09-17-2019, 08:17 AM

Our issue is that offering a 1st rounder doesn't provide much in value. This is the case when you are slated to be at or near the bottom of the 1st round. Makes it much more difficult to compete with other teams who have more valuable draft capital, and means we likely have to offer additional picks just to provide equal compensation. Teams like Oakland, for instance, can be major players in the Ramsey sweepstakes because they suck and because they have a lot more capital to play with.

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2617050	Basically you need a front that is gap sound and can defend the run. You pay money to the back end and hope that on big plays they can cover long enough to let the pressure get there but for the 80% of the time everyone is throwing in 2 seconds they get the job done because those plays really don't matter to the DL. I'm coming around to this belief, I'm fine with having 1 guy on the DL that is high end but I think building front to back and the DL hiding the secondary isn't true anymore with how everyone plays. When teams are shotgun spread and throwing the ball in 2 seconds your DL does not matter.
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09-17-2019, 08:08 AM	#55
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2744064	If it were just our single first that would get it done, maybe. But 2 and a contract? Nah.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2744064	They don't have a dominant pass rushing DL, they just have an all around good defense that's built well.
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09-17-2019, 08:10 AM	#57
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2617050	I'd take Ramsey over Jones if I had to pick, I think I can find another productive DT over finding a high level CB. In reality I don't think they'll get 2 1's. I think if we offered a 1 and a conditional 3 for the next year they'd probably do that.
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FAH-Q Veteran Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $7670400	Our issue is that offering a 1st rounder doesn't provide much in value. This is the case when you are slated to be at or near the bottom of the 1st round. Makes it much more difficult to compete with other teams who have more valuable draft capital, and means we likely have to offer additional picks just to provide equal compensation. Teams like Oakland, for instance, can be major players in the Ramsey sweepstakes because they suck and because they have a lot more capital to play with.
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