Chiefs Veach's '21 Offseason Plan to Keep Us Thriving: Let's speculate - Page 104

Dante84 · 02-08-2021, 10:03 AM

In order to prevent us wasting precious years of Patrick Mahomes' career, Veach needs to work some magic this offseason. What's your advice for him?

RunKC · 02-19-2021, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't think Bateman is 100% realistic right now.

It’s so hard to say bc it’s so early. March is when everything comes into focus after the first week of FA and the new league year.

Bet we find out more on injuries and returning players as well.

But yeah Bateman would be an awesome first rd pick. I’m a big fan of his.

Chargem · 02-19-2021, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

If they don’t plan to draft an ‘X’, I think he’d be an EXCELLENT stop gap.

I’m starting to love Rashod Bateman though. That kid is going to be a baller from day one.

I'd be pretty excited about vet stop gap DE and WR, and also drafting the future DE and WR in the earlier rounds.

htismaqe · 02-19-2021, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

It’s so hard to say bc it’s so early. March is when everything comes into focus after the first week of FA and the new league year.

Bet we find out more on injuries and returning players as well.

But yeah Bateman would be an awesome first rd pick. I’m a big fan of his.

No combine either it doesn't sound like.

Lilmrp117 · 02-19-2021, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

I’d be fine with bringing in any of the following WRs in FA.

Marvin Jones
Keelan Cole
Josh Reynolds
Robert Foster

I'd add Curtis Samuel to this list. My order of preference would be Samuel, Reynolds, Cole, Foster. If we strike out on these, at least sign someone like Rashard Higgins. I believe any of these would be more reliable and productive than Sammy or Demarcus.

Wilson8 · 02-19-2021, 02:34 PM

For Inquiring Minds – Releasing/Terminating an NFL player that is injured.

Short Version

From page 268, Article 45 Injury Protection, NFLPA CBA 2020

https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.n...cuted-Copy.pdf

1. If either Eric Fisher or Mitchell Schwartz would be released, they would qualify for Injury Protection – See Section 2 Qualifications, page 268.

2. The Pay out to them would be 100% of their Paragraph 5 Salary but for the year 2021 that amount will not exceed $2,000,000 of which the Chiefs (Club) would be responsible for $1,200,000. – See Section 4, Treatment of Injury Protection Benefit Payments.

3. If you have guaranteed injury payments like Dee Ford has, that amount gets subtracted out of the Injury Protection money.

4. Section 13. Costs: Any reasonable costs associated with a player’s reasonable and customary rehabilitation as set forth in Sections 2(b) and 7(b) of this Article, and reasonable travel to and from any medical examination performed at the Club’s request as provided for in this Article shall be paid for by the Club.

So the Chiefs would save money, but there would be some cost.

If you have not been punished enough, you can go to the CBA link above and read and try to figure out.

Good Luck.

P.S. – I’m not advocating for Eric or Mitchell to be released. Just looking at the rules and what it means to the Chiefs.

htismaqe · 02-19-2021, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8

For Inquiring Minds – Releasing/Terminating an NFL player that is injured.

Short Version

From page 268, Article 45 Injury Protection, NFLPA CBA 2020

https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.n...cuted-Copy.pdf

1. If either Eric Fisher or Mitchell Schwartz would be released, they would qualify for Injury Protection – See Section 2 Qualifications, page 268.

2. The Pay out to them would be 100% of their Paragraph 5 Salary but for the year 2021 that amount will not exceed $2,000,000 of which the Chiefs (Club) would be responsible for $1,200,000. – See Section 4, Treatment of Injury Protection Benefit Payments.

3. If you have guaranteed injury payments like Dee Ford has, that amount gets subtracted out of the Injury Protection money.

4. Section 13. Costs: Any reasonable costs associated with a player’s reasonable and customary rehabilitation as set forth in Sections 2(b) and 7(b) of this Article, and reasonable travel to and from any medical examination performed at the Club’s request as provided for in this Article shall be paid for by the Club.

So the Chiefs would save money, but there would be some cost.

If you have not been punished enough, you can go to the CBA link above and read and try to figure out.

Good Luck.

P.S. – I’m not advocating for Eric or Mitchell to be released. Just looking at the rules and what it means to the Chiefs.

Thanks!

Based on that last article I posted, I had arrived at this being the case but now we know the actual hard numbers.

Hoover · 02-19-2021, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Thanks!

Based on that last article I posted, I had arrived at this being the case but now we know the actual hard numbers.

What what exactly does that mean? Their salaries would only count 1.2M towards the cap?

htismaqe · 02-19-2021, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

What what exactly does that mean? Their salaries would only count 1.2M towards the cap?

Yes. That's the way I read it.

If you cut them while they are injured, they take that money. I'm not sure how an injury settlement changes that though because the team and player can agree to terms outside of what Wilson8 outlined there.

**The Franchise** · 02-19-2021, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

What what exactly does that mean? Their salaries would only count 1.2M towards the cap?

Basically. Plus the cost of the players rehab which doesn’t count against the cap.

Hoover · 02-19-2021, 03:34 PM

Its tempting to just be done with it and walk away. Yeah, not ideal, but its hard to spend real cap dollars on two huge question marks.

duncan_idaho · 02-19-2021, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilmrp117

I'd add Curtis Samuel to this list. My order of preference would be Samuel, Reynolds, Cole, Foster. If we strike out on these, at least sign someone like Rashard Higgins. I believe any of these would be more reliable and productive than Sammy or Demarcus.

Jones
Higgins
Reynolds
Cole
Samuel
Foster

would be my list.

I like Samuel, but he's more of a gadget than a true weapon as a WR.

htismaqe · 02-19-2021, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

Its tempting to just be done with it and walk away. Yeah, not ideal, but its hard to spend real cap dollars on two huge question marks.

If I were the GM, I'd do it. But I don't see the Chiefs doing it, at least not with both.

If I had to bet, I'd bet on Fisher being back.

Hoover · 02-19-2021, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

If I were the GM, I'd do it. But I don't see the Chiefs doing it, at least not with both.

If I had to bet, I'd bet on Fisher being back.

Agree with that.

If this team wasn't in a win now mode maybe they would go in a different direction.

Worse case we extend Fisher, Niang looks good at LT, and we bitch about Fish's contract....

LOL Whats new!

Wilson8 · 02-19-2021, 04:38 PM

I'm pretty sure that someone on here has already talked about this, but a deal that would make sense for both the Chiefs and Eric Fisher would be to extend him. Pay him in 2021 about what they would have to pay anyway for injury and then have a couple of more years with incentives being the larger amount of money. It would be good PR, keeps costs down for 2021, and allows Eric Fisher to stay with KC and make some money again in 2022 and 2023.

**RealSNR** · 02-19-2021, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

If he gets $10M AAV, he's FAR FROM crap. Teams simply aren't going to invest that kind of money into a CENTER who isn't worth it.

Of course, Chief Fan thought Morse was "crap" as well.

Morse wasn’t crap. He was just constantly getting his brains ****ing scrambled. I don’t even remember much of him at center for the chiefs. I remember having Zach Fulton as our center during those years more than I do Morse.

Somehow Buffalo has gotten him to play 16 games two years in a row. Good for them, I guess

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Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3607557	For Inquiring Minds – Releasing/Terminating an NFL player that is injured. Short Version From page 268, Article 45 Injury Protection, NFLPA CBA 2020 https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.n...cuted-Copy.pdf 1. If either Eric Fisher or Mitchell Schwartz would be released, they would qualify for Injury Protection – See Section 2 Qualifications, page 268. 2. The Pay out to them would be 100% of their Paragraph 5 Salary but for the year 2021 that amount will not exceed $2,000,000 of which the Chiefs (Club) would be responsible for $1,200,000. – See Section 4, Treatment of Injury Protection Benefit Payments. 3. If you have guaranteed injury payments like Dee Ford has, that amount gets subtracted out of the Injury Protection money. 4. Section 13. Costs: Any reasonable costs associated with a player’s reasonable and customary rehabilitation as set forth in Sections 2(b) and 7(b) of this Article, and reasonable travel to and from any medical examination performed at the Club’s request as provided for in this Article shall be paid for by the Club. So the Chiefs would save money, but there would be some cost. If you have not been punished enough, you can go to the CBA link above and read and try to figure out. Good Luck. P.S. – I’m not advocating for Eric or Mitchell to be released. Just looking at the rules and what it means to the Chiefs.
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Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3607557	I'm pretty sure that someone on here has already talked about this, but a deal that would make sense for both the Chiefs and Eric Fisher would be to extend him. Pay him in 2021 about what they would have to pay anyway for injury and then have a couple of more years with incentives being the larger amount of money. It would be good PR, keeps costs down for 2021, and allows Eric Fisher to stay with KC and make some money again in 2022 and 2023.
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