Spider Man 2

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

Also from that "love interest" comment it sounds like you don't actually know what you're talking about. Talia has been the greatest batman villian in the last decade in the comics. NOT just a 'love interest.'

And she was handled so well in DKR. Weird.

Bats had no idea who she was.

[Ragged Robin]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

And she was handled so well in DKR. Weird.

Bats had no idea who she was.

Because, as I said, Nolan shits all over the source material.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

Because, as I said, Nolan shits all over the source material.

And yet you claim that its not a big deal to disregard it.

Strange.

[Ragged Robin]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

And yet you claim that its not a big deal to disregard it.

Strange.

Yeah it's not a big deal apparently because The Dark Knight is the highest grossing film ever. Nolan's films were the complete character and source assassination and yet you're discreditting the Spiderman franchise due to such a small and pointless source material change like web-wrists versus web-shooters. That's like me saying Nolan's films are shit because he makes Batman expose his eyes and wear makeup instead of wearing high tech lenses like he's supposed to . Virtually everything about Nolan's films goes against source material down to how the character flat out responds and you hardly hear a peep about it.

[Fish]

You know what bothered me about The Dark Knight Rises? That magic knee brace band thing that changes him from limping cripple to superhero? Billion dollar market completely ignored...

[ThaVirus]

I was always a fan of Spider-man having web shooters due to biological changes. I was never a fan of the "oh shit I just ran out of webbing mid-fight" plot device.

[Easy 6]

DKR just stretched my suspension of disbelief too far... Catwoman was completely unnecessary and unbelievable, the entire police force trapped underground, that goofy ass prison with everyone dressed in the same overly clean rags, Scarecrow running some silly, stupid court, Batman being nearly crippled but coming back in few short weeks, months?

It wasnt even about them not sticking with canon on Bane, just too much other unbelievable stuff... what made the other two so great was, atleast within the world Nolan created, everything was pretty believable... this one just took it all too far, it was a farce.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by scott free

DKR just stretched my suspension of disbelief too far... Catwoman was completely unnecessary and unbelievable, the entire police force trapped underground, that goofy ass prison with everyone dressed in the same overly clean rags, Scarecrow running some silly, stupid court, Batman being nearly crippled but coming back in few short weeks, months?

It wasnt even about them not sticking with canon on Bane, just too much other unbelievable stuff... what made the other two so great was, atleast within the world Nolan created, everything was pretty believable... this one just took it all too far, it was a farce.

In retrospect, nothing you say I can really not agree with, except I didn't think Catwoman was an unnecessary character anymore than any other supporting role you find in tons of movies. That's just the part of movies. But, let's be real, the possibility of and fervored expectations simply meant TDK wasn't ever going to realistically be matched- let alone topped.

Not to discredit Nolan, but I think if you're setting out to do a trilogy, unless you have the entire story committed to script or from source material, it's just not going to hold up when you approach it by writing them individually and then shooting them. No different than the Matrix movies.

It's just really tough to switch gears from an episodic film and then create a story arc that's quality while making sure you have cohesion throughout, yet also having a film stand On its own.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

In retrospect, nothing you say I can really not agree with, except I didn't think Catwoman was an unnecessary character anymore than any other supporting role you find in tons of movies. That's just the part of movies. But, let's be real, the possibility of and fervored expectations simply meant TDK wasn't ever going to realistically be matched- let alone topped.

Not to discredit Nolan, but I think if you're setting out to do a trilogy, unless you have the entire story committed to script or from source material, it's just not going to hold up when you approach it by writing them individually and then shooting them. No different than the Matrix movies.

It's just really tough to switch gears from an episodic film and then create a story arc that's quality while making sure you have cohesion throughout, yet also having a film stand On its own.

I simply have to disagree about Selena Kyle, it was just too much... in this world, not only is there a badass richest man in the world who goes around doing nearly impossible things, but now theres a female criminal who's just as capable?... it was COMPLETELY unnecessary IMO, it added nothing and subtracted everything.

It was nothing more than a cheap attempt at garnering/appeasing more female viewers IMO, all it did was divert attention from the fact that Nolan apparently wasnt sure how to fill two and a half hours with what Bruce Wayne is doing, and even with her needless character he still cheats us of any real Batman action by belaboring the totally ridiculous prison sequence.

Nolan had a nearly limitless amount of source material to draw a better story from, I'll tell you exactly how this movie felt... Blade III... dry, stale and paint by numbers, NOTHING that was cool about the first two was included in the last one.

If Nolan has ever made a bad movie, THIS was it.

[The Franchise]

Would it have changed things for the worse if the three Nolan Batman films were all one story spread out over 3 movies? i.e. The Hobbit. Would it have made it better?

[Aries Walker]

Incidentally, that seems to be a thing. They tried to angsty-darken up Superman and - in that terrible pilot - Wonder Woman as well. All three characters wear bright red and blue, and their character's increased darkness was reflected in their costumes, which all became maroon and navy.

The one flag-colored character that has not gotten that treatment as of late? Captain America, and his movies are critical and popular home runs. Coincidence?

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by Aries Walker

Incidentally, that seems to be a thing. They tried to angsty-darken up Superman and - in that terrible pilot - Wonder Woman as well. All three characters wear bright red and blue, and their character's increased darkness was reflected in their costumes, which all became maroon and navy.

The one flag-colored character that has not gotten that treatment as of late? Captain America, and his movies are critical and popular home runs. Coincidence?

Guess it says to not be jaded and dark you've literally got to be a throwback to someone that was a contemporary of the early to midcentury time period from the last century - 20s, 30s, 40s.

Basically, most of the people he first meets in the present find him hokey, and you see that country versus city folk interaction to start with.

So, now that Cap's suit is a much darker red and blue for this next movie, does that mean we should expect his character will fall more in line with the updated versions of the other superheroes?

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Guess it says to not be jaded and dark you've literally got to be a throwback to someone that was a contemporary of the early to midcentury time period from the last century - 20s, 30s, 40s.

Basically, most of the people he first meets in the present find him hokey, and you see that country versus city folk interaction to start with.

So, now that Cap's suit is a much darker red and blue for this next movie, does that mean we should expect his character will fall more in line with the updated versions of the other superheroes?

Not trying to answer for Aries, but if my reading of the new plot is close, no... CA wont be darker, but the world around him WILL be.

The black and white, good and evil world of the 40's-50's is gone... now it'll be a million shades of grey in this murky new world, with Cap as the moral holdout making the tough, but clearcut decisions.

[Aries Walker]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Guess it says to not be jaded and dark you've literally got to be a throwback to someone that was a contemporary of the early to midcentury time period from the last century - 20s, 30s, 40s.

Basically, most of the people he first meets in the present find him hokey, and you see that country versus city folk interaction to start with.

So, now that Cap's suit is a much darker red and blue for this next movie, does that mean we should expect his character will fall more in line with the updated versions of the other superheroes?

Beats me, but we can meet back here after April 4 to discuss it.

[Wallcrawler]

If this measures up to the Spider-Man 2 game of the Raimi era, Ill be pretty happy.