Let's talk Defensive Line - Page 3

Couch-Potato · 10:46 PM

Went through a bunch of threads to identify all of our interests across the defensive line, is this all of them? Who else should be added to the list? Removed from the list? Should anyone be moved up or down on the draft target list?

FA Targets
-DE Yannick Ngakoue, IND
-DT Da’ron Payne, WAS
-DT Poona Ford, SEA
-DE Jadaveon Clowney, CLV
-DT Kalen Saunders, KC
-DT Greg Gains, LAR
-DT Armon Watts, CHI
-DE Ardon Key, JAX
-DE Clean Ferril, LVR
-DE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, HOU
-DT Chris Wormley, PIT
-DT Maurice Hurst, SF
-DT Andrew Billings, CIN

Vet Trade Targets
-DE Brian Burns, CAR
-DE Chase Young, WAS
-DE Carl Granderson, New Orleans
-DE Za'Darius Smith, Minnesota
-DE D.J. Wonnum, Minnesota

1st Rd Targets
-DT Byran Breese,
-DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
-DE BJ Ojulari, LSU
-DE Keion White, Georgia Tech
-DE Derick Hall, Auburn
-DE Isahiah Foskey, ND
-DE Nolan Smith, Georgia
-DL Tuli Tuipulotu, USC
-DE Andre Carter, Army

2nd Rd Targets
-DT Siaki Ika, BU
-DE Will McDonald IV, Iowa St.
-DL Calijah Kancey, Pitt
-DE Zach Harrison, Ohio State
-DE Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State
-DT Mazi Smith, Michigan

3rd Rd Targets
-DT Gervon Dexter, Florida
-NT Keanu Benton, Wisconsin
-DE Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern
-DL Byron Young, Tennessee
-DT Zack Pickens, South Carolina
-DL Mike Morris, Michigan
-DE Dylan Horton, TCU

4th Rd Targets
-DT Byron Young, Alabama
-DE Viliami Fehoko, San Jose St
-DE Thomas Incoom, Central Michigan
-DL Yaya Diabi, Louisville
-DE Habakkuk Baldonado, Pitt

5th-7th Rd Targets
-DE Isaiah McGuire, Missouri
-DE Caleb Murphy, Ferris St
-DE Derek Parish, Houston
-DT Dante Stills, West Virginia
-NT Elijah Simmons, Tennessee

Couch-Potato · 02-26-2023, 02:26 PM

Thank you for the feedback! I see Kancey as a similar player to C Jones and I guess I'm wondering if we could play them both at the same time.

DJ's left nut · 02-27-2023, 09:48 AM

Just looking around at later physical freaks and came across BJ Thompson out of Stephen F. Austin.

Super super SUPER raw, scrawny as hell (6'5" and maybe 240 lbs) but I think that's exactly the kind of guy you use a 7th rounder on and see if you can bulk him up. I mean that frame sure looks like it's 260+ waiting to happen and if so, he's just so damn explosive. He has really athletic feet and plus agility.

Big time project player, don't get me wrong. I don't expect him to contribute this year and hell he may not do much the next. But that kind of length/quickness just isn't easy to get and if you can just add a little weight there and refine some of this hand fighting, you could have a real dangerous rusher on your hands at a minimal cost.

JPH83 · 02-27-2023, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Just looking around at later physical freaks and came across BJ Thompson out of Stephen F. Austin.

Super super SUPER raw, scrawny as hell (6'5" and maybe 240 lbs) but I think that's exactly the kind of guy you use a 7th rounder on and see if you can bulk him up. I mean that frame sure looks like it's 260+ waiting to happen and if so, he's just so damn explosive. He has really athletic feet and plus agility.

Big time project player, don't get me wrong. I don't expect him to contribute this year and hell he may not do much the next. But that kind of length/quickness just isn't easy to get and if you can just add a little weight there and refine some of this hand fighting, you could have a real dangerous rusher on your hands at a minimal cost.

Didn't he just get up to 240 over the postseason period, from, like, 210-220 or something insane like that? He's definitely intriguing, I honestly think someone might take a bet on him even slightly earlier after his pro day. Apparently he's going to be putting up some ridiculous numbers.

DJ's left nut · 02-27-2023, 10:14 AM

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Didn't he just get up to 240 over the postseason period, from, like, 210-220 or something insane like that? He's definitely intriguing, I honestly think someone might take a bet on him even slightly earlier after his pro day. Apparently he's going to be putting up some ridiculous numbers.

I dunno - I can't see a guy that tall playing at 210 lbs though. That's borderline emaciated.

Maybe 225ish? And from the photos, I could probably buy that. He's thiiiiin. But I think in scouting speak that's called 'high cut' or 'angular' and not necessarily a deal breaker if you think you can get some good weight on him.

But you're right - his pro day may really send his stock up. If he times out where he's projected and weighs in at 245+ he suddenly looks like a 5th round pick.

O.city · 02-27-2023, 10:16 AM

Looking around at guys on teams drafted high with new FO's.....would Spags be able to use Isiah Simmons somehow?

Direckshun · 02-27-2023, 10:18 AM

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Looking around at guys on teams drafted high with new FO's.....would Spags be able to use Isiah Simmons somehow?

Probably not, with our LB room being packed as it is.

O.city · 02-27-2023, 10:20 AM

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Probably not, with our LB room being packed as it is.

If you're moving Cook into Thornhills' spot, could he play that 3rd safety hybrid type thing?

Or go the other way and make the guy a pass rusher in the Reddick mold. He's too athletic to waste.

DJ's left nut · 02-27-2023, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

If you're moving Cook into Thornhills' spot, could he play that 3rd safety hybrid type thing?

Or go the other way and make the guy a pass rusher in the Reddick mold. He's too athletic to waste.

People said the same thing about Jabril Peppers.

At some point you have to actually be good at SOMETHING on a football field.

O.city · 02-27-2023, 10:27 AM

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People said the same thing about Jabril Peppers.

At some point you have to actually be good at SOMETHING on a football field.

Yeah, but he also is in NE now so would is shock us if he turns into a decent piece under Bill?

I'd just take a flyer on the guy for a late round pick and see what we could do.

O.city · 03-01-2023, 08:18 AM

How high do we need to get to have a shot at Tyree Wilson?

O.city · 03-01-2023, 08:44 AM

Also, what does everyone think of Zaven Collins? He seems like a prime Veach buy low candidate from a team going thru big changes.

duncan_idaho · 03-01-2023, 09:00 AM

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How high do we need to get to have a shot at Tyree Wilson?

Top 8 and probably top 6. Isn't happening.

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Originally Posted by O.city

Also, what does everyone think of Zaven Collins? He seems like a prime Veach buy low candidate from a team going thru big changes.

As a defensive lineman?

Collins offers some intriguing things but I'm not sure I see the fit.

O.city · 03-01-2023, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Top 8 and probably top 6. Isn't happening.

As a defensive lineman?

Collins offers some intriguing things but I'm not sure I see the fit.

Yeah, scratch the linebacker stuff and have him play rush backer.

O.city · 03-01-2023, 09:11 AM

I was just thinking about how we could get to 6.

Would require trading Jones probably.

Chris Meck · 03-01-2023, 06:38 PM

I know you think guys might think it's boring, but there's unlikely to be anyone worth reaching up for. It just doesn't seem to be that kind of draft. We'd better off staying put in those first three rounds and just drafting more good football players.

02-18-2023, 02:02 PM
Couch-Potato MVP Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $3273065	Let's talk Defensive Line Went through a bunch of threads to identify all of our interests across the defensive line, is this all of them? Who else should be added to the list? Removed from the list? Should anyone be moved up or down on the draft target list? FA Targets -DE Yannick Ngakoue, IND -DT Da’ron Payne, WAS -DT Poona Ford, SEA -DE Jadaveon Clowney, CLV -DT Kalen Saunders, KC -DT Greg Gains, LAR -DT Armon Watts, CHI -DE Ardon Key, JAX -DE Clean Ferril, LVR -DE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, HOU -DT Chris Wormley, PIT -DT Maurice Hurst, SF -DT Andrew Billings, CIN Vet Trade Targets -DE Brian Burns, CAR -DE Chase Young, WAS -DE Carl Granderson, New Orleans -DE Za'Darius Smith, Minnesota -DE D.J. Wonnum, Minnesota 1st Rd Targets -DT Byran Breese, -DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa -DE BJ Ojulari, LSU -DE Keion White, Georgia Tech -DE Derick Hall, Auburn -DE Isahiah Foskey, ND -DE Nolan Smith, Georgia -DL Tuli Tuipulotu, USC -DE Andre Carter, Army 2nd Rd Targets -DT Siaki Ika, BU -DE Will McDonald IV, Iowa St. -DL Calijah Kancey, Pitt -DE Zach Harrison, Ohio State -DE Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State -DT Mazi Smith, Michigan 3rd Rd Targets -DT Gervon Dexter, Florida -NT Keanu Benton, Wisconsin -DE Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern -DL Byron Young, Tennessee -DT Zack Pickens, South Carolina -DL Mike Morris, Michigan -DE Dylan Horton, TCU 4th Rd Targets -DT Byron Young, Alabama -DE Viliami Fehoko, San Jose St -DE Thomas Incoom, Central Michigan -DL Yaya Diabi, Louisville -DE Habakkuk Baldonado, Pitt 5th-7th Rd Targets -DE Isaiah McGuire, Missouri -DE Caleb Murphy, Ferris St -DE Derek Parish, Houston -DT Dante Stills, West Virginia -NT Elijah Simmons, Tennessee Last edited by Couch-Potato; 02-18-2023 at 10:46 PM..
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02-26-2023, 02:26 PM	#31
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