So Just What Do We All Want Stadium-Wise?

[GabyKeepsMeWarm]

This is a Chiefs board, so I know and expect to see some obvious bias toward the Chiefs over the Royals in this forum. This is weighted even moreso towards the Chiefs favor due to their incredible run over the past six years.

I know we all love the Chiefs, but there are a lot of Royals fans too. KC has historically been a very, very good sports town, and great host for the Chiefs and Royals. Weird that the teams never seem to be good at the same time, though maybe that will change if BWJr and the boys in blue can get something going during what is now the Mahomes Era.

But I digress... sorry, I get long-winded sometimes. What do we all want stadium-wise going forward? Enough of this sky is falling horseshit where both teams are getting their ducks in a row to get the hell out of KC. I don't buy that for a second. Maybe you don't agree, that's fine. But I really want to know what the people of this board would like to see happen, because there will be another vote within the next year or two with future proposals. So what do we want these proposals to ideally be?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Hoover

That answer just doesn't work. I understand that's how you feel and its legitimate, but from a team (ie business perspective) it just doesn't work that way.




This is a really good post.

Here is my my take on all of this.

1. The public has do decide if they want a piece of the action or not. I get the argument that the tax payer shouldn't have foot the bill for a new baseball stadium downtown when they love the existing one. And why are we building stadiums for rich owners anyway.

On the other hand, by not extending an existing tax that helps fund the stadiums, both teams will explore their options and they are going to do what's in their best financial interest. While I think the Chiefs are locked into the area, baseball is a different story, what if Oklahoma City really wants a baseball team? It wouldn't surprise me at all if they would bend over backwards to build a downtown stadium. Another option would be Nashville. Both of those cities would love to bring another sports franchise to their cities, and if I were them I'd be aggressive as hell. Going to either city makes sense for both the city and team.

2. As someone mentioned here the other day the Chiefs are now in a power position. If they did decided to leave the Truman Sports complex, people will rightly point to this vote as the reason why it didn't work.

If I'm the Chiefs, I can't justify sinking hundreds of millions of dollars into facilities that they public no longer wants to support and the team doesn't own. So the only option for the Truman Sports Complex is for the county to sell it to Hunt and the Chiefs. Its a great piece of property, but you are going to sell it for pennies on the dollar (like the Snead trade) because you are getting the Hunt family to permanently stay and invst there and in return you get to property tax revenue from the property.

The Chiefs owning the Truman Sports Complex allows them to totally reimagine it. I'm sure local governments would give the team some tax incentives (TIF) to help with the cost of redevelopment. You could also give the team a sales tax rebate which would allow them to keep a chunk of the sales tax generated on the grounds for period of time.

Such incentives would encourage the team to build a new stadium, build new state of the art facilities, and probably an entertainment district (Hotels, Restaurants, and Bars), which is what I want to see done.

I understand why TIFs exist, but I really dislike them. The government essentially is saying, "You're big and important, so we'll give you a lower tax rate than we will for small businesses and individuals." They're inherently unfair and tilted toward rich people. And then those rich people retain the option to just move on to the next city when the TIFS expire and repeat the process. [Glance toward Kroenke here.]

[Rain Man]

As for what I want in a stadium, here's my list.

1. Easily accessible via subway or light rail or other large scale people movers. Or even better (for me) walkable from hotels. Maybe even close to the airport, though I recognize that's a niche need for me.

2. Stuff to do before the game that's better than walking laps on the concourse. A team history museum is nice, but you need at least two hours of activity that's not static for repeat visitors. Per Post 105, it doesn't have to be in the stadium itself. It can be across the parking lot, and doesn't even need to be football-oriented if the private sector just wants to make a big mall/entertainment area within walking distance.

3. Big TVs in the concession areas. We're talking big TVs. Big ones.

4. Individual urinals. We live in the 21st century.

5. More leg room in the seats would be nice, though I recognize that's a tradeoff with visibility.

6. A little radiant heating in the concrete below the seats would be nice.

7. Unique and recognizable architecture. When you tune in on television, you instantly know it's Arrowhead.

I think that's my main list.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

The opposing fans I've met enjoyed the Royals stadium. It's pretty and unique. I know that's true of many MLB stadiums.

I haven't heard anyone complain about it except for KC residents, and those complaints are always about location.

Kauffman is beautiful. It gets overshadowed a bit because in KC we have Arrowhead as a comparison point, but it's pretty incredible. I understand downtown as a better location because of impact to the surrounding community, but I'd be very pleasantly surprised if we build a new stadium and it is anywhere near the Kauffman experience.

Again, like Arrowhead, Kauffman shows no signs of needing replacement when you attend. Feels like everything has been upgraded and kept up-to-date. I guess we just have to trust that the concrete is about to disintegrate even though it looks fine to us laypeople.

[Boxer_Chief]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

Good thoughts...what we haven't seen yet is much from Mike Parson...I would expect the State of Missouri to step up and get involved with grants or muni bonds to calm down the Chiefs FO. The Latter Day Saints just released 2,000 acres for sale along 470. However, they would still have to deal with Jackson County (but maybe not Frank White, as there was a petition to sack him at the polling location!).

I see no way Missouri is going to lose two teams. They will step up in some way and the chiefs will remain in Missouri. Like someone said earlier the budget is just bigger in Missouri.

[FloridaMan88]

The Royals should really re-consider the downtown stadium concept.

This isn’t the 1990’s anymore… downtown isn’t filled with workers in offices who will be in close proximity to attend 81 home baseball games.

[Cooter Bailey]

https://www.kmbc.com/article/wife-of...sults/60401075

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The Royals should really re-consider the downtown stadium concept.

This isn’t the 1990’s anymore… downtown isn’t filled with workers in offices who will be in close proximity to attend 81 home baseball games.

True and will remain true, however, much of that former office space is becoming residential space, which is even better for attendance since you remove the driving aspect and save $30-$50 for parking. As I mentioned, up to 10,800 additional residential units are already under construction or have permits...that's huge!

https://www.downtownkc.org/wp-conten...eport-2024.pdf

[Sassy Squatch]

If that one and done comment is truthful Hunt has already made up his mind about leaving Arrowhead. At that point just throw up your hands and let them go to Wyandotte or Johnson.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by Cooter Bailey

https://www.kmbc.com/article/wife-of...sults/60401075

Sherman should ram a broom up her ass so she can cook and clean at the same time. Any clucking from that hen should be met with stern punishment.

[lawrenceRaider]

I like Arrowhead just as it its. It is a fantastic place to watch a game.

[Rainbarrel]

With Super Bowl babies after Super Bowl babies. A nursery may help

[wazu]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

In the Andy Reid era the Chiefs home record has been 66-24 vs. 62-27 on the road.

They're a little better at home than they are on the road, just as the average NFL team is.

You can tell yourself whatever you want, but that's an awfully tough sell to the people that actually have to foot that bill.

Just doing a little quick research it looks to me like Arrowhead vs Road games is the following:

Chiefs at Arrowhead all-time winning pct: .603
Chiefs away games all-time winning pct: .461

That seems pretty crazy. We haven't always had Reid/Mahomes to make sure we just kick ass everywhere no matter what.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by wazu

Just doing a little quick research it looks to me like Arrowhead vs Road games is the following:

Chiefs at Arrowhead all-time winning pct: .603
Chiefs away games all-time winning pct: .461

That seems pretty crazy. We haven't always had Reid/Mahomes to make sure we just kick ass everywhere no matter what.

HFA has evened out across the league though. Historical HFA isn't terribly relevant. Modern history says it means less than ever.

A variety of reasons have been forwarded but ultimately that's just the way it seems to be trending.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

HFA has evened out across the league though. Historical HFA isn't terribly relevant. Modern history says it means less than ever.

A variety of reasons have been forwarded but ultimately that's just the way it seems to be trending.

I assume that Patrick Mahomes II is lowering the other teams' home winning percentage a lot.

[Balto]

Originally Posted by wazu

Kauffman is beautiful. It gets overshadowed a bit because in KC we have Arrowhead as a comparison point, but it's pretty incredible. I understand downtown as a better location because of impact to the surrounding community, but I'd be very pleasantly surprised if we build a new stadium and it is anywhere near the Kauffman experience.

Again, like Arrowhead, Kauffman shows no signs of needing replacement when you attend. Feels like everything has been upgraded and kept up-to-date. I guess we just have to trust that the concrete is about to disintegrate even though it looks fine to us laypeople.

See my idea....Keep Kauffman open as a revenue stream and a new practice facility!

Can update with screens everywhere and charge very minimal for attendance to view games LIVE. Also have open food/drink vendors for revenue like a normal game.

I think a lot of people/families would come have the tailgate experience and then pile into Kauffman to watch the game live on a jumbotron.