No Chris Jones at OTA's.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Dumb.

Dumb would be to give in to another defensive player that wants the moon.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Dumb would be to give in to another defensive player that wants the moon.

He’s the second best interior pass rusher in the league and only 24 years old.

You’re an idiot if you don’t think we should pay this man. How’s the defense going to get better when you let young blue chippers walk in their prime?

[Buckweath]

Originally Posted by staylor26

He’s the second best interior pass rusher in the league and only 24 years old.

You’re an idiot if you don’t think we should pay this man. How’s the defense going to get better when you let young blue chippers walk in their prime?

He's not. Fletcher Cox is.

I made a poll on Footballsfuture forum and everyone said Cox and rightfully so.

I'm just saying that because I've seen someone else on this forum say the same you're saying and it's just not true.

[synthesis2]

My take on Jones is pretty simple.

People on TV and Radio keep saying that because Clark , Honey B etc got big contracts and he didn't he is sitting out because he wants his but I think these are different situations.

When your picked in round 1 you basically have a 5 year contract as year 5 is a option that most teams exercise with a player like jones. So if he is 22 when drafted most players can't sniff free agency until they are 27 years old.

Jones being picked in the second round is a nice benefit ( besides being paid less than a first rounder) because there is not 5th year option and he is only on the team for 4 years because the franchise tag or free agency.

Sooooo what bugs me and what makes his situation different than the others is this, he hasn't even finished his rookie contract. His first two years were C+ and B and he last year was a A+, but because his first two years were just good not great, I'd want him to prove it one more year before breaking the bank.

The big picture was the other guys we brought in FINISHED there rookie contracts, he has not. Holding out after three years is just plain selfish as Frank Clark finished his contract, Honey B finished his rookie contract.

Finish your four years and then you can complain jones but having one good year and wanting to be paid the tops in the league makes you look incredibly selfish

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

Sooooo what bugs me and what makes his situation different than the others is this, he hasn't even finished his rookie contract. His first two years were C+ and B and he last year was a A+, but because his first two years were just good not great, I'd want him to prove it one more year before breaking the bank.

Finish your four years and then you can complain jones but having one good year and wanting to be paid the tops in the league makes you look incredibly selfish

Your not living in the real world, It's some 1950's fantasy. You signed a contract, finish it and then we will talk. it's 2019. come back to reality. Jones had no choice but to sign. He has a choice now. He is going to get paid. This is just business.

This is going just like every other negotiation in the NFL for every stud entering his last year of contract that the team and player want to stay.

Jones gets hurt in week 5 and out for the season, he doesn't get paid. Surely you understand that? The Chiefs are a business, There is a cap. This is just business. It'll get done.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

My take on Jones is pretty simple.

People on TV and Radio keep saying that because Clark , Honey B etc got big contracts and he didn't he is sitting out because he wants his but I think these are different situations.

When your picked in round 1 you basically have a 5 year contract as year 5 is a option that most teams exercise with a player like jones. So if he is 22 when drafted most players can't sniff free agency until they are 27 years old.

Jones being picked in the second round is a nice benefit ( besides being paid less than a first rounder) because there is not 5th year option and he is only on the team for 4 years because the franchise tag or free agency.

Sooooo what bugs me and what makes his situation different than the others is this, he hasn't even finished his rookie contract. His first two years were C+ and B and he last year was a A+, but because his first two years were just good not great, I'd want him to prove it one more year before breaking the bank.

The big picture was the other guys we brought in FINISHED there rookie contracts, he has not. Holding out after three years is just plain selfish as Frank Clark finished his contract, Honey B finished his rookie contract.

Finish your four years and then you can complain jones but having one good year and wanting to be paid the tops in the league makes you look incredibly selfish

good idea we will wait for another elite season like we did with berry and houston the pay even more..

[synthesis2]

Most players do not hold out on their Rookie contract, after that the gloves come off.

I completely get where you both are coming from but I don't want one year to screw us long term. Its only four years, finish them and get rewarded for your hard work. I don't mind him making more money because he finishes the year with 10 plus sacks and we win the superbowl. All is good for me but very few players hold out on their rookie contract after three years.

If he was an A his rookie year, and A his second and A his third then I get it but one great year would make he just wait and see.

But for clarification I 100% want him on the team short and long term. I just don't see any reason to rush into it only after three years.

[Sorce]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

good idea we will wait for another elite season like we did with berry and houston the pay even more..

If he's wanting to get paid top contract already how is this different? He is taking most of the risk in that, the Chiefs have leverage here. He can accept less or play his final year. If he plays he risks getting hurt, not performing as well as last year. It sounds like he isn't willing to give the Chiefs a break for getting him his money early. If I'm the Chiefs I set a TC deadline for a deal. He can't sit out the season or he loses the year.

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by Sorce

If he's wanting to get paid top contract already how is this different? He is taking most of the risk in that, the Chiefs have leverage here. He can accept less or play his final year. If he plays he risks getting hurt, not performing as well as last year. It sounds like he isn't willing to give the Chiefs a break for getting him his money early. If I'm the Chiefs I set a TC deadline for a deal. He can't sit out the season or he loses the year.

Agreed, I'm completely ok with paying him even more money if he has another A year but lets say he ends the year

A) with 7 sacks and 35 tackles ( somewhere in there) he gets a good contract but not one that breaks the bank.

B) decides to hold out the entire year and I still think our D is good enough now without him to win a Superbowl and he is still in the same situation but has lost a lot of money.

I love the guy I just want to see him do it two years vs one.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Buckweath

He's not. Fletcher Cox is.

I made a poll on Footballsfuture forum and everyone said Cox and rightfully so.

I'm just saying that because I've seen someone else on this forum say the same you're saying and it's just not true.

Lol ok. I guess that settles it then.

Cox is getting credit for his career, because Jones was significantly more productive on significantly fewer snaps in 2018.

If you want to say Cox is a better all around interior DL, you have an argument. But he was not the better pass rusher in 2018 and I don’t really care what everybody on ”Footballsfuture” said.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by staylor26

He’s the second best interior pass rusher in the league and only 24 years old.

You’re an idiot if you don’t think we should pay this man. How’s the defense going to get better when you let young blue chippers walk in their prime?

Pay him yes. All in for that but not some long crazy money deal that we regret in 2 years. We have had enough of that. If he wants to be greedy then he can be traded for a CB. We need another more than him.