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Old 09-05-2019, 03:47 PM  
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I think I'm almost ready to join the Yang gang?

I was kind of waiting for this Democratic monstrosity field to winnow itself down a bit, but I heard this guy today on the On Point radio show (broadcast on NPR) and he is making tons more sense to me than anyone else up there.

this was the high point of the interview for me:

"It was Donald Trump's victory in 2016, where I'd spent the previous six years running a nonprofit, Venture for America, that I'd founded that helped create thousands of jobs in places like Detroit, St. Louis, Cleveland, Birmingham, New Orleans. And I was stunned by what I saw in the rest of the country where automation had decimated communities, had eliminated 4 million manufacturing jobs in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. And then Donald Trump won in 2016, which to me was a giant red flag. It was a, 'Stop what you're doing. We just elected a narcissist, reality TV star as our president.' And tens of millions of Americans were desperate enough to think that that was the right move. And to me, it was clear that this is the manifestation of this economic transformation that we're in the midst of, that, for whatever reason, our politicians are not discussing — the elimination of these 4 million manufacturing jobs will now migrate to retail. And people who are listening to this are seeing Main Street stores close around them every single day. Call centers, fast food and then eventually hit truck driving, and being a trucker is the most common job in 29 states. There are 3 1/2 million truck drivers in the U.S.

"And so I had no intention of running for president at any point. My wife laughs about it because in some ways I make a lousy politician. But Trump wins. I say, 'OK, this is a straight automation story — that we're in the third inning of the fourth industrial revolution. No one's talking about it. We're scapegoating immigrants for problems that immigrants have next to nothing to do with.' When you're in that position, you say, 'Well, how can I, on wake up America to the fact that this is a huge transformation we're in the midst of?' Then we need to start addressing and start solving the problems in the right timeframe, given that we're five to 10 years away from robot trucks hitting the highways."



He is correct about this transformation and that no one else is talking about it because it's almost too big a subject for anyone to take on. But he's right this is happening to us nationwide and we aren't acknowledging the reality of it. Just letting Amazon and Google sort it out for the rest of us may not result in the Country we are hoping to see in 50 years.

I mean he's at 3%, so probably he's got no shot, but He has already lasted longer than some much bigger party names. What do you guys think?
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Old 09-08-2019, 06:13 PM   #136
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Old 09-08-2019, 06:18 PM   #137
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Amazing how 'self-destructive' everyday progressives are:

Universal Basic Income + Automation + Plutocracy = Dystopia

> "Do you know who supports the implementation of a UBI besides Andrew Yang? Billionaires. Lots of billionaires, especially the new money tech billionaires who are positioning themselves to inherit the earth in the transition to a new paradigm dominated by automation and artificial intelligence. Billionaires like Jeff Bezos, Pierre Omidyar, Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, Elon Musk, Richard Branson, Bill Gross, Tim Draper, and more moderately Bill Gates have all been seen advocating for a policy that is now being popularized as one which would level the economic playing field and take power away from the billionaire class."

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Old 09-09-2019, 10:34 AM   #138
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You would prefer to test the concept on a scale larger than the State of Alaska before determining if it had merit? How large then?

UBI obviously doesn't pay for itself, it's not profitable. It is unarguably socialism of a pure sort, but if there are masses of people who will be idle then what's your alternative? What do you think those idle people will do?
I embrace the theories that heavy government involvement in financing college (eg student loans and grants) and healthcare (eg Medicare) have fueled higher-than-inflation price increases in those areas. Are you concerned that a UBI could lead to general price increases as a new equilibrium is established? Won’t those who rely on UBI end up being effectively dirt poor anyway, leading to constant political pressure to increase the UBI to a more “liveable level”?
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Old 09-12-2019, 04:06 PM   #139
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Drug use happens.

I had a professor at NWMSU back in 88 who predicted legalizing drugs soley because of this. Dr. Baxter.
The experience with very high unemployment on Indian Reservations and corresponding levels of rampant drug use and alcoholism indicates you could be right. Maybe a lot of the opioid deaths being centered in the Rust belt in Ohio, etc, is a leading indicator too.
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Old 09-12-2019, 04:07 PM   #140
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I embrace the theories that heavy government involvement in financing college (eg student loans and grants) and healthcare (eg Medicare) have fueled higher-than-inflation price increases in those areas. Are you concerned that a UBI could lead to general price increases as a new equilibrium is established? Won’t those who rely on UBI end up being effectively dirt poor anyway, leading to constant political pressure to increase the UBI to a more “liveable level”?
I agree that UBI would have an upward pressure on pricing, particularly staple consumer goods. But we haven't seen anything unmanageable when say minimum wage was raised in various states.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:32 PM   #142
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Banyon deserves an award. Way too smart to buy this shit. And a world class troll job.
He's always bought into this kind of stuff. You just weren't around here then that I could see. Make a post about free-markets anytime, he will be right there to dismantle it. Free-markets really trigger him.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:34 PM   #143
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Reminding banyon again, that Finland did pilot this and it failed. So they got rid of it.

That's not a big country and it also homogenous...and it didn't work there.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:35 PM   #144
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I embrace the theories that heavy government involvement in financing college (eg student loans and grants) and healthcare (eg Medicare) have fueled higher-than-inflation price increases in those areas. Are you concerned that a UBI could lead to general price increases as a new equilibrium is established? Won’t those who rely on UBI end up being effectively dirt poor anyway, leading to constant political pressure to increase the UBI to a more “liveable level”?
What about the $6T you blew on the stupid Sand Wars? You loved big govt involvement there.


You don’t get to preach fiscal responsibility to anyone after that colossal failure
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What about the $6T you blew on the stupid Sand Wars? You loved big govt involvement there.


You don’t get to preach fiscal responsibility to anyone after that colossal failure
This isn't really a fiscal responsibility thing as much as a don't unnecessarily distort the markets thing. In the case of national defense, we have no alternative IMO so we have to put up with what little competition we can retain in the defense industry and otherwise just deal with the inefficiencies.
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If you believe govt spending distorts the free market (and only a dolt wouldn’t), the military absolutely qualifies.
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If you believe govt spending distorts the free market (and only a dolt wouldn’t), the military absolutely qualifies.
As I said, the distortions are a necessary evil when it comes to national defense.
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This isn't really a fiscal responsibility thing as much as a don't unnecessarily distort the markets thing. In the case of national defense, we have no alternative IMO so we have to put up with what little competition we can retain in the defense industry and otherwise just deal with the inefficiencies.
The way we're using our military today threatens our national defense, but most of all our liberties here at home. Your position is thoroughly statist and as such not at all in the conservative tradition of governing.
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